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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Economic Gardening&#8221; - Business Friendliness Redux</title>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-46935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tracy -

One of the things that folks have suggested would help make Northfield more "business-friendly" is increased coordination and collaboration among the economic development entities in Northfield.

Tomorrow at the Monthly Forum, the Chamber of Commerce, the Economic Development Authority, and the Northfield Enterprise Center will be the NDDC's guests.  Coordination and collaboration will certainly be one of the topics.

For more details, see: http://nddc.org/weblog/post/995/

Maybe we'll see you there...

- Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tracy -</p>
<p>One of the things that folks have suggested would help make Northfield more &#8220;business-friendly&#8221; is increased coordination and collaboration among the economic development entities in Northfield.</p>
<p>Tomorrow at the Monthly Forum, the Chamber of Commerce, the Economic Development Authority, and the Northfield Enterprise Center will be the NDDC&#8217;s guests.  Coordination and collaboration will certainly be one of the topics.</p>
<p>For more details, see: <a href="http://nddc.org/weblog/post/995/" rel="nofollow">http://nddc.org/weblog/post/995/</a></p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;ll see you there&#8230;</p>
<p>- Ross</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22163</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tracy,
This forum makes it easier for a response to take place by individual voices.  I would like to see a more official response mechanism in place BEFORE the draft becomes final and the during the draft stage to allow responses to community voices.  

From recent past experience, I think the City could learn from the Woodley Street project that one or two "open houses" do not equal public consultation.  Active listening to voices and concerns with adequate feedback is required.

With regards to the Woodley St project, a good question for the City is was there any written responses made by the City to the residents that did speak up regarding their concerns?  I would imagine that the Minnesota nice excuse is worn out and that its time actively listens and respond.

To many times issues reach glazed eyes and become vague comments imbedded within meeting minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tracy,<br />
This forum makes it easier for a response to take place by individual voices.  I would like to see a more official response mechanism in place BEFORE the draft becomes final and the during the draft stage to allow responses to community voices.  </p>
<p>From recent past experience, I think the City could learn from the Woodley Street project that one or two &#8220;open houses&#8221; do not equal public consultation.  Active listening to voices and concerns with adequate feedback is required.</p>
<p>With regards to the Woodley St project, a good question for the City is was there any written responses made by the City to the residents that did speak up regarding their concerns?  I would imagine that the Minnesota nice excuse is worn out and that its time actively listens and respond.</p>
<p>To many times issues reach glazed eyes and become vague comments imbedded within meeting minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Davis</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - I know the consultants, staff, and commission members are reading each and every comment and suggestion, but I don't think there's any practical way to ensure that everyone gets a response. All we can promise is that they'll be heard and considered. 

If I were in your shoes in this situation and had something I wanted to be sure was heard, I'd write and send a copy of the letter/fax/email to each planning commissioner, a couple levels of city staff, and the consultant(s); I'd hope that at least one of them would give me the courtesy of a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter - I know the consultants, staff, and commission members are reading each and every comment and suggestion, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any practical way to ensure that everyone gets a response. All we can promise is that they&#8217;ll be heard and considered. </p>
<p>If I were in your shoes in this situation and had something I wanted to be sure was heard, I&#8217;d write and send a copy of the letter/fax/email to each planning commissioner, a couple levels of city staff, and the consultant(s); I&#8217;d hope that at least one of them would give me the courtesy of a response.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22154</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ross,
Appreciate the response.  I would like to know what type of response mechanism is in place for the City staff and consultant that will to answer specific comments.  For example, if a suggestion or idea is made, will there be a written response explaining how that issue will be handled?  I would hope yes, in the sense that specific comments by individuals are specifically addressed.  

I know I have made comments either in this forum or through the Comp Plan website that have been addressed by individuals, but not by the City Council, staff or the Planning Commission.  Most of my comments have not been addressed officially.

I hope this will change to allow voices not just to be heard, but actively listened to as well by the City.  Perhaps you can see what official response mechanism is in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ross,<br />
Appreciate the response.  I would like to know what type of response mechanism is in place for the City staff and consultant that will to answer specific comments.  For example, if a suggestion or idea is made, will there be a written response explaining how that issue will be handled?  I would hope yes, in the sense that specific comments by individuals are specifically addressed.  </p>
<p>I know I have made comments either in this forum or through the Comp Plan website that have been addressed by individuals, but not by the City Council, staff or the Planning Commission.  Most of my comments have not been addressed officially.</p>
<p>I hope this will change to allow voices not just to be heard, but actively listened to as well by the City.  Perhaps you can see what official response mechanism is in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22138</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:

I'm sure any member of the Planning Commission would be open to your comments, however, submitting them through the &lt;a href="http://www.northfieldplan.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;NorthfieldPlan.org&lt;/a&gt; website is the most "official" and probably the most reliable method.

We are soliciting comments at the public meeting on September 18th and that would be another opportunity for you.

Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure any member of the Planning Commission would be open to your comments, however, submitting them through the <a href="http://www.northfieldplan.org/" rel="nofollow">NorthfieldPlan.org</a> website is the most &#8220;official&#8221; and probably the most reliable method.</p>
<p>We are soliciting comments at the public meeting on September 18th and that would be another opportunity for you.</p>
<p>Ross</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22107</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross, Is there a chance that I can get my hands dirty with regards to commenting on the comp plan revisions presented to the planning commission this week?  Are you taking public comments at the meeting? Or do I need to wait for the CC public meeting meeting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, Is there a chance that I can get my hands dirty with regards to commenting on the comp plan revisions presented to the planning commission this week?  Are you taking public comments at the meeting? Or do I need to wait for the CC public meeting meeting?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:

Given your interest in the Comprehensive Plan Revision Process and Economic Development in Northfield...I urge you to attend the Planning Commission Meeting tonight when we discuss CHAPTER 10 of the Comp Plan:

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT!

See you there,

Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>Given your interest in the Comprehensive Plan Revision Process and Economic Development in Northfield&#8230;I urge you to attend the Planning Commission Meeting tonight when we discuss CHAPTER 10 of the Comp Plan:</p>
<p>ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT!</p>
<p>See you there,</p>
<p>Ross</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22095</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Chamber President, I would like to take something concrete and actionable back to the Board.  Also, what in the current Development Principles could be considered economic gardening?    

The only recent example that comes to mind with economic hunting is the Crossings project where we went A) out-of-town to find a developer to build a partly B) residential property partly supported with C) tax dollars.  I know that there were in-town developers interested in building without tax dollars.  Tracy, isn't this an instance where "sense of place" trumped economic gardening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Chamber President, I would like to take something concrete and actionable back to the Board.  Also, what in the current Development Principles could be considered economic gardening?    </p>
<p>The only recent example that comes to mind with economic hunting is the Crossings project where we went A) out-of-town to find a developer to build a partly B) residential property partly supported with C) tax dollars.  I know that there were in-town developers interested in building without tax dollars.  Tracy, isn&#8217;t this an instance where &#8220;sense of place&#8221; trumped economic gardening?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22051</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it is not so much the organizing the garden but rather the type of soil used.  For example, the traditional command and control model of land use planning or is that planting, is very inefficient.  So far we can list, institutional favoritism, City self interest, and lack of cost/benefit analysis, just to name a few.  So creating the laundry list of issues that we think would create a better “economic garden”, perhaps we should actually focus on the soil that we all spend so much time tendering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it is not so much the organizing the garden but rather the type of soil used.  For example, the traditional command and control model of land use planning or is that planting, is very inefficient.  So far we can list, institutional favoritism, City self interest, and lack of cost/benefit analysis, just to name a few.  So creating the laundry list of issues that we think would create a better “economic garden”, perhaps we should actually focus on the soil that we all spend so much time tendering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Bilek</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22040</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Bilek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
you stated:
"For local businesses, property taxes, health insurance, cheap housing, and other economic issues tend to be the most important determinates of success. "

I consider customers to be the most important.  I chose to open a coffehouse, then a bookstore in Northfield after doing some market research and realized this is a good place for both.  The items you mentioned are important and are part of the business plan, but the customers are the key.

personally, I would like to see the EDA and NEC work with existing businesses to help them improve and grow.  I could use the cultivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
you stated:<br />
&#8220;For local businesses, property taxes, health insurance, cheap housing, and other economic issues tend to be the most important determinates of success. &#8221;</p>
<p>I consider customers to be the most important.  I chose to open a coffehouse, then a bookstore in Northfield after doing some market research and realized this is a good place for both.  The items you mentioned are important and are part of the business plan, but the customers are the key.</p>
<p>personally, I would like to see the EDA and NEC work with existing businesses to help them improve and grow.  I could use the cultivation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-22006</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you disagree that Northfield has an attitudinal problem with business, go read paragraph 8.d. of the Findings on the proposed rental code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you disagree that Northfield has an attitudinal problem with business, go read paragraph 8.d. of the Findings on the proposed rental code.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21953</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is at least one economic garden in Northfield to which we tend quite well - education.  For example, the rental code is going to make an exception for college-owned housing?  Without college students, we wouldn't have the problem.  So why should the business that indirectly created the problem be exempted? 

Tracy, you noted that the single most important factor in your business is the value of the Indian rupee.  For local businesses, property taxes, health insurance, cheap housing, and other economic issues tend to be the most important determinates of success.  How can we "garden" locally so that these determinates of success become important factors in the planning process?

While I like the concept of putting more focus on growing the businesses that we already have, my personal opinion, combined with my Chamber experience, tells me that Northfield has two major attitudinal obstacles: 
First, business success ranks very low on the priority list.  For example, non-motorized transportation received multiple mentions on the Development principles; yet, the first draft of the Comp Plan did NOT have one identifiable reference to business success.
Second, when business success is mentioned, it is usually restricted to a particular business without regard to the ecomonics.  In the original Comp Plan, mixed use development was identified as the preferred development.  The fact that very few mixed developments are being built, and that we had to pay the Crossings millions of dollars to be build what they did build, points to the fallacy that you can legislate economic success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is at least one economic garden in Northfield to which we tend quite well - education.  For example, the rental code is going to make an exception for college-owned housing?  Without college students, we wouldn&#8217;t have the problem.  So why should the business that indirectly created the problem be exempted? </p>
<p>Tracy, you noted that the single most important factor in your business is the value of the Indian rupee.  For local businesses, property taxes, health insurance, cheap housing, and other economic issues tend to be the most important determinates of success.  How can we &#8220;garden&#8221; locally so that these determinates of success become important factors in the planning process?</p>
<p>While I like the concept of putting more focus on growing the businesses that we already have, my personal opinion, combined with my Chamber experience, tells me that Northfield has two major attitudinal obstacles:<br />
First, business success ranks very low on the priority list.  For example, non-motorized transportation received multiple mentions on the Development principles; yet, the first draft of the Comp Plan did NOT have one identifiable reference to business success.<br />
Second, when business success is mentioned, it is usually restricted to a particular business without regard to the ecomonics.  In the original Comp Plan, mixed use development was identified as the preferred development.  The fact that very few mixed developments are being built, and that we had to pay the Crossings millions of dollars to be build what they did build, points to the fallacy that you can legislate economic success.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21918</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I appreciate your clarification, but I wish I had a dollar for every visioning meeting I've attended and every comp plan I've read over the last 20-some years.
I just feel, IMHO, that Northfield's principles are too vague. Who doesn't want their city, whatever city that may be, to have a sense of place, respect its history or provide a good quality of life? But what does that mean? (See the post above about historic Minneapolis). 
The key to communications is having a common understanding of common terms. 
Quick example: much of the infamous heroin numbers dispute was fueled by the lack of a common definition of such simple terms as young people, users, and an increase in criminal behavior. (Does young mean everyone 15-24, teen-agers, enrolled high school students, etc. Are all users addicts? Is a crime increase a few more burglarized cars or a rash of armed robberies?) The numbers wouldn't have varied so much if everyone had been using the same definitions.
There already have been disagreements about the wording of the principles...I'm just trying to be optimistic that the community conversation continues in a spirit of finding common definitions, and that the final document fleshes those details out just very nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I appreciate your clarification, but I wish I had a dollar for every visioning meeting I&#8217;ve attended and every comp plan I&#8217;ve read over the last 20-some years.<br />
I just feel, IMHO, that Northfield&#8217;s principles are too vague. Who doesn&#8217;t want their city, whatever city that may be, to have a sense of place, respect its history or provide a good quality of life? But what does that mean? (See the post above about historic Minneapolis).<br />
The key to communications is having a common understanding of common terms.<br />
Quick example: much of the infamous heroin numbers dispute was fueled by the lack of a common definition of such simple terms as young people, users, and an increase in criminal behavior. (Does young mean everyone 15-24, teen-agers, enrolled high school students, etc. Are all users addicts? Is a crime increase a few more burglarized cars or a rash of armed robberies?) The numbers wouldn&#8217;t have varied so much if everyone had been using the same definitions.<br />
There already have been disagreements about the wording of the principles&#8230;I&#8217;m just trying to be optimistic that the community conversation continues in a spirit of finding common definitions, and that the final document fleshes those details out just very nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21917</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne - Principles are different to objectives.  Principles are interpreted in the context of the overall plan. The draft principles allow some flexiblity within the northfield context which is a mixed of places...being industrial, college, environmental.  The draft principles in the Comp plan reflect these different places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne - Principles are different to objectives.  Principles are interpreted in the context of the overall plan. The draft principles allow some flexiblity within the northfield context which is a mixed of places&#8230;being industrial, college, environmental.  The draft principles in the Comp plan reflect these different places.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21916</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the misery loves company department, some people in Minneapolis have the same complaints about the HPC there. A major ($100 million plus) project in the Warehouse District was held up over whether they should have five or six trees along the sidewalk in planters or grates. This happened even though the HPC readily admits that in historic downtown the only trees that existed were 'volunteers' in empty lots, which were cut down as soon as land was developed.
One landscaping plan for the front entry was turned down because commissioners had a feeling it looked too formal; a second one was turned down because it looked to suburban...again there were no historic examples to use. So are we honoring history or creating them parks of what we wish places looked like if we had been there to save them from themselves.

As for planning principles, search other cities' plans and you see clear, demonstrable ideas specific to their communities. The Northfield principles seem rather vague and                         open to interpretation. Your sense of place may be far different than mine. Is it a sense of the manufacturing history of Malt-O-Meal, the sense of place of a farm town or that of a college town or that of a wild river corridor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the misery loves company department, some people in Minneapolis have the same complaints about the HPC there. A major ($100 million plus) project in the Warehouse District was held up over whether they should have five or six trees along the sidewalk in planters or grates. This happened even though the HPC readily admits that in historic downtown the only trees that existed were &#8216;volunteers&#8217; in empty lots, which were cut down as soon as land was developed.<br />
One landscaping plan for the front entry was turned down because commissioners had a feeling it looked too formal; a second one was turned down because it looked to suburban&#8230;again there were no historic examples to use. So are we honoring history or creating them parks of what we wish places looked like if we had been there to save them from themselves.</p>
<p>As for planning principles, search other cities&#8217; plans and you see clear, demonstrable ideas specific to their communities. The Northfield principles seem rather vague and                         open to interpretation. Your sense of place may be far different than mine. Is it a sense of the manufacturing history of Malt-O-Meal, the sense of place of a farm town or that of a college town or that of a wild river corridor?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21915</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
I would disagree that “sense of place”, “quality of living”, and “historical preservation” are subjective.  All these have measurable qualities.  For example, quality of living standards are posted by many authorities to measure the success of regional and state economies.  On a personal, I tend to use the price of gas and a can of coke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
I would disagree that “sense of place”, “quality of living”, and “historical preservation” are subjective.  All these have measurable qualities.  For example, quality of living standards are posted by many authorities to measure the success of regional and state economies.  On a personal, I tend to use the price of gas and a can of coke.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Waskiw</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21914</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Waskiw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,
Who should in charge of removing or stoping invasive weeds in the "commmunity" garden?

That fact Northfield has an Historic District, suggest some form of oversight.  Should we perhaps set up a scare crow to watch over the crops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
Who should in charge of removing or stoping invasive weeds in the &#8220;commmunity&#8221; garden?</p>
<p>That fact Northfield has an Historic District, suggest some form of oversight.  Should we perhaps set up a scare crow to watch over the crops?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce W Morlan</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21906</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce W Morlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If HPC shows up with a check to help preserve the historical facades of buildings, then it is the pollinating honey bee in the garden of our community.  If they just stand in the way and expect the building owners to pay the extra costs, then they are the parasitic slugs and cut worms gnawing at our vegetables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If HPC shows up with a check to help preserve the historical facades of buildings, then it is the pollinating honey bee in the garden of our community.  If they just stand in the way and expect the building owners to pay the extra costs, then they are the parasitic slugs and cut worms gnawing at our vegetables.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21889</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, I would be interested in your thoughts about whether we have a better "economic garden" in the Comp Plan because of the Chamber's involvement, and why you think so.

In my opinion, and I told you during the Comp Plan process, the Northfield attitude focuses TOO much attention on subjective concepts, like "sense of place", "quality of living", and "historical preservation".  Agencies like the Historical Preservation Committee and the Design Advisory Board are more like garden parasites than cultivators when it comes to thinking about the impact of their decisions on businesses.  Look at Barbara's experience.

True, we need to take care of our businesses here before going after other businesses.  But, as Ray pointed out, we are not doing a very good job of taking care of our existing businesses.  Remember Norman Butler's earlier post about his windows?  Is the HPC really helping businesses or does it exist to satisfy players who don't have a dime invested in the result?  The HPC should at least consider how much historic preservation costs the individual owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, I would be interested in your thoughts about whether we have a better &#8220;economic garden&#8221; in the Comp Plan because of the Chamber&#8217;s involvement, and why you think so.</p>
<p>In my opinion, and I told you during the Comp Plan process, the Northfield attitude focuses TOO much attention on subjective concepts, like &#8220;sense of place&#8221;, &#8220;quality of living&#8221;, and &#8220;historical preservation&#8221;.  Agencies like the Historical Preservation Committee and the Design Advisory Board are more like garden parasites than cultivators when it comes to thinking about the impact of their decisions on businesses.  Look at Barbara&#8217;s experience.</p>
<p>True, we need to take care of our businesses here before going after other businesses.  But, as Ray pointed out, we are not doing a very good job of taking care of our existing businesses.  Remember Norman Butler&#8217;s earlier post about his windows?  Is the HPC really helping businesses or does it exist to satisfy players who don&#8217;t have a dime invested in the result?  The HPC should at least consider how much historic preservation costs the individual owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Cox</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2246/#comment-21888</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy, I think the #1 thing Northfield needs to focus on is taking care of the businesses we already have here. Over the past 35 years I've seen dozens of businesses leave the community. While I know we probably couldn't keep all of them, keeping the biggest share of them would have kept hundreds of jobs here....and tax base. 

When businesses like Pumper Plumbing, College City Beverage, Lonsdale Painting and so many others have to leave town we lose our tax base opportunities. When they move to Dundas we most likely keep a good share of the jobs, but the new tax base loss hurts. 

Northfield has had an Economic Development office for some time. Have we ever given them solid goals to meet? Have we ever had a true economic development report showing how our tax dollar investment in the office have been used? 

I remember some years ago (1995) I saw a report by the Economic Development office. My new construction facility (built in 1994) was listed as 'jobs created' etc. That is false thinking. When an existing business expands it is because the business is operating successfully and in a manner that necessitates an expansion. I managed to expand in spite of sigificant restrictions placed the design---such as 'must be constructed of masonry or brick veneer'. 

There is a huge difference between an Economic Development office bringing a new, vibrant business to Northfield and having the office simply watch existing businesses expand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy, I think the #1 thing Northfield needs to focus on is taking care of the businesses we already have here. Over the past 35 years I&#8217;ve seen dozens of businesses leave the community. While I know we probably couldn&#8217;t keep all of them, keeping the biggest share of them would have kept hundreds of jobs here&#8230;.and tax base. </p>
<p>When businesses like Pumper Plumbing, College City Beverage, Lonsdale Painting and so many others have to leave town we lose our tax base opportunities. When they move to Dundas we most likely keep a good share of the jobs, but the new tax base loss hurts. </p>
<p>Northfield has had an Economic Development office for some time. Have we ever given them solid goals to meet? Have we ever had a true economic development report showing how our tax dollar investment in the office have been used? </p>
<p>I remember some years ago (1995) I saw a report by the Economic Development office. My new construction facility (built in 1994) was listed as &#8216;jobs created&#8217; etc. That is false thinking. When an existing business expands it is because the business is operating successfully and in a manner that necessitates an expansion. I managed to expand in spite of sigificant restrictions placed the design&#8212;such as &#8216;must be constructed of masonry or brick veneer&#8217;. </p>
<p>There is a huge difference between an Economic Development office bringing a new, vibrant business to Northfield and having the office simply watch existing businesses expand.</p>
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