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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25932</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogs naturally sniff other dogs. They have to be trained to sniff out drugs. Oooops- sorry!</description>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25922</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If dog-sniffing dogs are the answer, would someone remind me what the problem is?

Not finding any drugs is either great news or its results are meaningless.  If its results are meaningless, then why are we doing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If dog-sniffing dogs are the answer, would someone remind me what the problem is?</p>
<p>Not finding any drugs is either great news or its results are meaningless.  If its results are meaningless, then why are we doing it?</p>
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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25911</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine- I think you can dare to ask any question on this blog. I don't think flames are going to come up out of your keyboard and burn your fingers! (Ha!Ha!) I think you have a good idea there in doing random searches. And I would propose another area of search- the downtown sidewalks of DIvision, and the public parks. We might even be able to ferret (blood-hound?) out some dealers. These drugs have to come from somewhere.

(I just had an idea- what about training ferrets to sniff drugs? They are cute and not as threatening as a large dog. And the old saying would fit.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine- I think you can dare to ask any question on this blog. I don&#8217;t think flames are going to come up out of your keyboard and burn your fingers! (Ha!Ha!) I think you have a good idea there in doing random searches. And I would propose another area of search- the downtown sidewalks of DIvision, and the public parks. We might even be able to ferret (blood-hound?) out some dealers. These drugs have to come from somewhere.</p>
<p>(I just had an idea- what about training ferrets to sniff drugs? They are cute and not as threatening as a large dog. And the old saying would fit.)</p>
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		<title>By: Christine  Stanton</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25887</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine  Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if I dare ask this question, but what about using random drug dog searches during the day?  I was surprised they did the lockers at night because of the information received from the students.  If police officers visited the school on a frequent basis, their presence could take on more of a feeling of friendliness.  The students might get a chance to know them as a positive contribution to our community instead of a threat.  The drug dogs might even do the same, though I do not think they are supposed to be petted etc. when working.  Maybe the dog(s) could also be brought in when they are not "working."  

Maybe I am too optimistic, but I do not think we give students enough credit.  I do not think students who are not carrying drugs would see it as a threat, only those who are.  No, it will not solve the problem of drug use, but the more places we can make it not an option the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if I dare ask this question, but what about using random drug dog searches during the day?  I was surprised they did the lockers at night because of the information received from the students.  If police officers visited the school on a frequent basis, their presence could take on more of a feeling of friendliness.  The students might get a chance to know them as a positive contribution to our community instead of a threat.  The drug dogs might even do the same, though I do not think they are supposed to be petted etc. when working.  Maybe the dog(s) could also be brought in when they are not &#8220;working.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Maybe I am too optimistic, but I do not think we give students enough credit.  I do not think students who are not carrying drugs would see it as a threat, only those who are.  No, it will not solve the problem of drug use, but the more places we can make it not an option the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25885</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at several airports recently, with thousands of teen-agers, small children and adults heading all over the world, and they didn't seem at all traumatized by the small dogs sniffing their luggage. In fact, few people even noticed. I think having dogs in the school at night shouldn't matter much one way or the other to students. The school is a public place, so there's no expectation of privacy. It would be nice not to have them, and I question their value, but I don't think the dogs should be the major concern right now.
I do agree that using the results to prove there's no drug problem is ridiculous. Drug use isn't new or terribly complicated, so there are plenty of proven strategies and programs that can be adapted to Northfield. Some young people will end up OK and others won't, just as some adults are OK and others spend a lifetime battling addiction -- and others drift in and out of danger. We do what we can...
The key is getting that baseline of information on drug use in place so any sudden changes can be spotted and targeted quickly. It sounds like that process is beginning to take shape at last, and that's good news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at several airports recently, with thousands of teen-agers, small children and adults heading all over the world, and they didn&#8217;t seem at all traumatized by the small dogs sniffing their luggage. In fact, few people even noticed. I think having dogs in the school at night shouldn&#8217;t matter much one way or the other to students. The school is a public place, so there&#8217;s no expectation of privacy. It would be nice not to have them, and I question their value, but I don&#8217;t think the dogs should be the major concern right now.<br />
I do agree that using the results to prove there&#8217;s no drug problem is ridiculous. Drug use isn&#8217;t new or terribly complicated, so there are plenty of proven strategies and programs that can be adapted to Northfield. Some young people will end up OK and others won&#8217;t, just as some adults are OK and others spend a lifetime battling addiction &#8212; and others drift in and out of danger. We do what we can&#8230;<br />
The key is getting that baseline of information on drug use in place so any sudden changes can be spotted and targeted quickly. It sounds like that process is beginning to take shape at last, and that&#8217;s good news.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25882</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had school buildings of 300 students or less, I'd be inclined to oppose using dogs to search for drugs.

But with buildings of 1,000 students or more (is it 1,300 at NHS?), 'crowd control' tactics like drug-sniffing dogs are sometimes warranted no matter how much trust and adult-student communication there is.  &lt;a href="http://soleil.nfldinet.com/web/brucem/simcash/icotpeople/Bloggers/wordpress/?p=342" rel="nofollow"&gt;So I agree with you, Bruce.&lt;/a&gt;

Would ARTech use drug-sniffing dogs, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had school buildings of 300 students or less, I&#8217;d be inclined to oppose using dogs to search for drugs.</p>
<p>But with buildings of 1,000 students or more (is it 1,300 at NHS?), &#8216;crowd control&#8217; tactics like drug-sniffing dogs are sometimes warranted no matter how much trust and adult-student communication there is.  <a href="http://soleil.nfldinet.com/web/brucem/simcash/icotpeople/Bloggers/wordpress/?p=342" rel="nofollow">So I agree with you, Bruce.</a></p>
<p>Would ARTech use drug-sniffing dogs, I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25842</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not finding any drugs does prove that kids aren't keeping drugs in their lockers overnight.  I think that it also suggests that we shouldn't use dogs again unless the school has probable cause to believe that kids have started stashing drugs in their lockers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not finding any drugs does prove that kids aren&#8217;t keeping drugs in their lockers overnight.  I think that it also suggests that we shouldn&#8217;t use dogs again unless the school has probable cause to believe that kids have started stashing drugs in their lockers.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25841</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK .. I give up!  The point I've been trying to make here is just that the kids said there were no drugs kept in lockers AND there were no drugs found in lockers!  FACT, yes or no?

And the result of that? now the school, in what appears to be a very much self-protective mode is saying, whew! one problem taken care of; our campus isn't as bad as everyone thought. And that is (  IMNSHO, to quote you, Bruce ) a very specious conclusion, which does zero to move toward any solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK .. I give up!  The point I&#8217;ve been trying to make here is just that the kids said there were no drugs kept in lockers AND there were no drugs found in lockers!  FACT, yes or no?</p>
<p>And the result of that? now the school, in what appears to be a very much self-protective mode is saying, whew! one problem taken care of; our campus isn&#8217;t as bad as everyone thought. And that is (  IMNSHO, to quote you, Bruce ) a very specious conclusion, which does zero to move toward any solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceWMorlan</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25832</link>
		<dc:creator>BruceWMorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi,  really, "This time, can we PLEASE listen to the “specialists” in this area of research, the youth of the community?".

They are kids, for crying in the beer, they may have first-hand knowledge of the use, but they need some adults helping out.  Unfortunately for them, the adults who do want to help need help themselves in figuring out HOW to get the point across. In the meantime, dogs in the school are a typical and possibly reasonable stop-gap measure, even if all it does is send a message that we are worried about this whole mess.  Just because no drugs were found does not mean that the search was ineffective.  See my post http://soleil.nfldinet.com/web/brucem/simcash/icotpeople/Bloggers/wordpress/?p=342 for more on that story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi,  really, &#8220;This time, can we PLEASE listen to the “specialists” in this area of research, the youth of the community?&#8221;.</p>
<p>They are kids, for crying in the beer, they may have first-hand knowledge of the use, but they need some adults helping out.  Unfortunately for them, the adults who do want to help need help themselves in figuring out HOW to get the point across. In the meantime, dogs in the school are a typical and possibly reasonable stop-gap measure, even if all it does is send a message that we are worried about this whole mess.  Just because no drugs were found does not mean that the search was ineffective.  See my post <a href="http://soleil.nfldinet.com/web/brucem/simcash/icotpeople/Bloggers/wordpress/?p=342" rel="nofollow">http://soleil.nfldinet.com/web/brucem/simcash/icotpeople/Bloggers/wordpress/?p=342</a> for more on that story.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25739</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah ... we disagree again ...maybe that's the answer: Northfield IS a Disney movie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8230; we disagree again &#8230;maybe that&#8217;s the answer: Northfield IS a Disney movie!</p>
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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25733</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I don't remember that we have addressed in all this blogging on drug abuse is what it really is. Drug abuse is not the problem. It is the symptom of other underlying problems. Drugs are taken to assuage other problems. It is a pattern in our society. When we have an ache or pain, we take something to "ease the symptoms" (a discription found on most OTC drugs). This pattern has carried over into emotional aches and pains, also. If a child is hyperactive, we give them Ritalin to calm them down. If a child is depressed, we give them an "upper" to help them handle their lives. Is there any wonder that this pattern continues into adulthood? How many of us can start the day on an even keel without our caffien fix, let alone something stronger? I think we Americans have an unrealistic expectation that our lives should be free of pains and problems. How do we teach our young people to handle the pain and disappointments in their lives? There must be a foundation they can build on, and I believe no drug abuse program can be effective without it.

Kiffe, you call the youth of this town the "specialists" in this area. Do you mean that they have the answers to these problems? Or are they specialists in knowing about what's going on with their peers? Just wondering what you mean here. I would hope they are aware of what is going on in their classes and groups. What do you see as an effective way to encourage interaction between them and their parents to get this information out? Can this be done on a group basis or is it better to engage them on an individual basis, or is there need for both? Is this something that needs to be done within families or is it better in a "neutral" atmosphere (such as a class or a setting like the Key or church youth groups)? Somehow, there needs to be a connection between the youth and their parents. Right now, I feel that there are two camps sniping at each other, but then, isn't this the way it has always been? The stakes are just higher now- literally life and death. And I will go back to my earlier statement- life is not a Disney movie with super smart and mature kids and bumbling adult idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I don&#8217;t remember that we have addressed in all this blogging on drug abuse is what it really is. Drug abuse is not the problem. It is the symptom of other underlying problems. Drugs are taken to assuage other problems. It is a pattern in our society. When we have an ache or pain, we take something to &#8220;ease the symptoms&#8221; (a discription found on most OTC drugs). This pattern has carried over into emotional aches and pains, also. If a child is hyperactive, we give them Ritalin to calm them down. If a child is depressed, we give them an &#8220;upper&#8221; to help them handle their lives. Is there any wonder that this pattern continues into adulthood? How many of us can start the day on an even keel without our caffien fix, let alone something stronger? I think we Americans have an unrealistic expectation that our lives should be free of pains and problems. How do we teach our young people to handle the pain and disappointments in their lives? There must be a foundation they can build on, and I believe no drug abuse program can be effective without it.</p>
<p>Kiffe, you call the youth of this town the &#8220;specialists&#8221; in this area. Do you mean that they have the answers to these problems? Or are they specialists in knowing about what&#8217;s going on with their peers? Just wondering what you mean here. I would hope they are aware of what is going on in their classes and groups. What do you see as an effective way to encourage interaction between them and their parents to get this information out? Can this be done on a group basis or is it better to engage them on an individual basis, or is there need for both? Is this something that needs to be done within families or is it better in a &#8220;neutral&#8221; atmosphere (such as a class or a setting like the Key or church youth groups)? Somehow, there needs to be a connection between the youth and their parents. Right now, I feel that there are two camps sniping at each other, but then, isn&#8217;t this the way it has always been? The stakes are just higher now- literally life and death. And I will go back to my earlier statement- life is not a Disney movie with super smart and mature kids and bumbling adult idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25568</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware of more uncalled for dog searches at the high school ...as soon as anyone mentions the word "baseline" , whether its mammograms or colonoscopies, we know there will be more tests, done under the threat of "denial, hiding your head in the sand", whatever.  
This time, can we PLEASE listen to the "specialists" in this area of research, the youth of the community?   They said  drugs would not be found in lockers, and they were not.
 I'm just appalled at dogs, handlers, police, school officials, and tired maintenance people roaming the halls of the high school at night, with the grand result of one smelly gym locker!
Has everyone already forgotten the  serious, thoughtful recommendations of the youth at the big meeting at the NCRC?  They don't want to have drug problems, they don't want their friends to have drug problems, they don't want their parents to have drug problems, they don't want their community to have drug problems ...they want honest talk, realistic drug education, safe anonymous referral programs, trained help for families suffering with these problems, and a supportive school environment.
Adults of the community: why do you ignore the voices of your future?  You raised them; do you think you did such a bad job that you can't even listen to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware of more uncalled for dog searches at the high school &#8230;as soon as anyone mentions the word &#8220;baseline&#8221; , whether its mammograms or colonoscopies, we know there will be more tests, done under the threat of &#8220;denial, hiding your head in the sand&#8221;, whatever.<br />
This time, can we PLEASE listen to the &#8220;specialists&#8221; in this area of research, the youth of the community?   They said  drugs would not be found in lockers, and they were not.<br />
 I&#8217;m just appalled at dogs, handlers, police, school officials, and tired maintenance people roaming the halls of the high school at night, with the grand result of one smelly gym locker!<br />
Has everyone already forgotten the  serious, thoughtful recommendations of the youth at the big meeting at the NCRC?  They don&#8217;t want to have drug problems, they don&#8217;t want their friends to have drug problems, they don&#8217;t want their parents to have drug problems, they don&#8217;t want their community to have drug problems &#8230;they want honest talk, realistic drug education, safe anonymous referral programs, trained help for families suffering with these problems, and a supportive school environment.<br />
Adults of the community: why do you ignore the voices of your future?  You raised them; do you think you did such a bad job that you can&#8217;t even listen to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-25513</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;But if you do have sworn officers facilitating the drug trade, and drugs and cash disappearing (perhaps into their pockets), no matter how many counselors you hire at the high school, things aren’t going to get better. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Scott, one of my twenty-something kids told us a story this weekend about a 'friend' who told him they had an experience like this within the past two years with a Northfield police officer, ie, getting busted in a car with a large amount of cash and pot and allowed to go free, minus the cash. The individual is no longer living in MN but I might still be able to contact them in an attempt to confirm its veracity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott wrote:<br />
<blockquote>But if you do have sworn officers facilitating the drug trade, and drugs and cash disappearing (perhaps into their pockets), no matter how many counselors you hire at the high school, things aren’t going to get better. </p></blockquote>
<p>Scott, one of my twenty-something kids told us a story this weekend about a &#8216;friend&#8217; who told him they had an experience like this within the past two years with a Northfield police officer, ie, getting busted in a car with a large amount of cash and pot and allowed to go free, minus the cash. The individual is no longer living in MN but I might still be able to contact them in an attempt to confirm its veracity.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24913</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bow wow!

News  from the N  News

Excerpted  from the News' Web site 10/11/07

Drug dogs search high school

press release from District Superintendent Chris Richardson.

NORTHFIELD - A  search of the high school by drug dogs Wednesday night revealed little or nothing 

Searching more than 1,200 lockers as  well as PE lockers in use, the  dog alerted on a physical education locker. A search of that locker by hand  found no drugs. 

School officials will follow up with the student who uses the locker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bow wow!</p>
<p>News  from the N  News</p>
<p>Excerpted  from the News&#8217; Web site 10/11/07</p>
<p>Drug dogs search high school</p>
<p>press release from District Superintendent Chris Richardson.</p>
<p>NORTHFIELD - A  search of the high school by drug dogs Wednesday night revealed little or nothing </p>
<p>Searching more than 1,200 lockers as  well as PE lockers in use, the  dog alerted on a physical education locker. A search of that locker by hand  found no drugs. </p>
<p>School officials will follow up with the student who uses the locker.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24743</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fixed it the typo, Scott.  

Yes, that post about the cops and the local business is still up - #39 in the main heroin thread:
http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/1655/#comment-19647

Maybe you and I should have coffee soon to talk more about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fixed it the typo, Scott.  </p>
<p>Yes, that post about the cops and the local business is still up - #39 in the main heroin thread:<br />
<a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/1655/#comment-19647" rel="nofollow">http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/1655/#comment-19647</a></p>
<p>Maybe you and I should have coffee soon to talk more about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Oney</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24707</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Oney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! In the last sentence of the first paragraph in #24, I meant "from plural to singular." Sorry!</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Oney</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24688</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Oney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 23:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff--No, if that’s all there was to it, I wouldn’t have brought it up at all. I know who you’re talking about, but there’s buzz that extends far beyond that father-son pair. I don’t know if you still have it on your site, but there was an anonymous post by “Minnesota Nobody” on Locally Grown last July 3 that mentioned, among other things, “the fact that . . . local business owners who 'everybody' knows sells dope can continue to operate with impunity. The cops even eat lunch at the guy’s place!!!” The shift from plural to singular seems to indicate that the poster had a specific individual in mind, but who knows.

Some interesting posts are starting to come in on the Gary Smith interview thread. There are a lot of people in town who know a little bit, and there are probably a few people out there who know a lot. As a clearer picture emerges of what’s been going on in Northfield for the past 3 years or so, I expect we’ll be hearing from more of them. Nobody wants to be the first to start talking, but you sure wouldn’t want to be the last one, either! We can at least hope that the “Don’t snitch” mentality that prevails, especially among Northfield’s finest, will soon be replaced with a desire to “Do the right thing.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff&#8211;No, if that’s all there was to it, I wouldn’t have brought it up at all. I know who you’re talking about, but there’s buzz that extends far beyond that father-son pair. I don’t know if you still have it on your site, but there was an anonymous post by “Minnesota Nobody” on Locally Grown last July 3 that mentioned, among other things, “the fact that . . . local business owners who &#8216;everybody&#8217; knows sells dope can continue to operate with impunity. The cops even eat lunch at the guy’s place!!!” The shift from plural to singular seems to indicate that the poster had a specific individual in mind, but who knows.</p>
<p>Some interesting posts are starting to come in on the Gary Smith interview thread. There are a lot of people in town who know a little bit, and there are probably a few people out there who know a lot. As a clearer picture emerges of what’s been going on in Northfield for the past 3 years or so, I expect we’ll be hearing from more of them. Nobody wants to be the first to start talking, but you sure wouldn’t want to be the last one, either! We can at least hope that the “Don’t snitch” mentality that prevails, especially among Northfield’s finest, will soon be replaced with a desire to “Do the right thing.”</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24650</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I've never heard any rumors related to local law enforcement being involved directly or indirectly "facilitating the drug trade" as you put it, only that a chemically dependent son of a former officer was. And since the children of police officers are about as likely to have drug problems as the children of ministers, teachers, artists or bloggers, I didn't make much of the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I&#8217;ve never heard any rumors related to local law enforcement being involved directly or indirectly &#8220;facilitating the drug trade&#8221; as you put it, only that a chemically dependent son of a former officer was. And since the children of police officers are about as likely to have drug problems as the children of ministers, teachers, artists or bloggers, I didn&#8217;t make much of the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Oney</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24633</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Oney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff--We probably have heard some of the same rumors, then. You have to be really careful with rumors; it could be that half of what you hear isn't true, and the other half is made up, especially when you're dealing with rather colorful characters. But there may be something behind them. If so, an understanding of what went on a couple of years ago may be essential to digging us out of this mess.

Keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. But if you do have sworn officers facilitating the drug trade, and drugs and cash disappearing (perhaps into their pockets), no matter how many counselors you hire at the high school, things aren't going to get better.

Also, to answer your question more directly, it matters a lot. If crimes were committed, they're not yet history. There's still plenty of time to prosecute. The way things stand now, probably every kid in town knows that the local cops--the guys that treat them like criminals for skating in Bridge Square or staying out 15 minutes past midnight--will stop at nothing to protect their own. If just one would come forward, it would send a strong positive message that at least some people in law enforcement are more committed to abstract principles of justice than to the doctrine of might makes right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff&#8211;We probably have heard some of the same rumors, then. You have to be really careful with rumors; it could be that half of what you hear isn&#8217;t true, and the other half is made up, especially when you&#8217;re dealing with rather colorful characters. But there may be something behind them. If so, an understanding of what went on a couple of years ago may be essential to digging us out of this mess.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that this is all speculation at this point. But if you do have sworn officers facilitating the drug trade, and drugs and cash disappearing (perhaps into their pockets), no matter how many counselors you hire at the high school, things aren&#8217;t going to get better.</p>
<p>Also, to answer your question more directly, it matters a lot. If crimes were committed, they&#8217;re not yet history. There&#8217;s still plenty of time to prosecute. The way things stand now, probably every kid in town knows that the local cops&#8211;the guys that treat them like criminals for skating in Bridge Square or staying out 15 minutes past midnight&#8211;will stop at nothing to protect their own. If just one would come forward, it would send a strong positive message that at least some people in law enforcement are more committed to abstract principles of justice than to the doctrine of might makes right.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2366/#comment-24632</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From:  growing weary of this banter

If you want to know the source of the "packet" leak to Suzzanne Rook... and whether it's legal or not, I'd suggest three steps:

1) Officially ask your Council person the question of legality, suggesting that it seems reasonable that someone connected with that packet (staff who prepared it - Council who received it) had the only likely hand in the transaction, therefore, the answer, like the "perp" must sit on the dais.

1.a) Perhaps the League of Women voters, who may have more status in affairs of this nature than any one individual, could ask this on behalf of the Community.  I'm reasonably confident League Board members monitor this blog.  I also have a sense that LWV has met "in camera" with top officials recently in pursuit of fact disclosure of this nature.

2) Then, assuming the entity asking the question, finds there is a legal issue in transporting the information in question, also ask if the paper is restricted in their use of "illegally obtained information.  Seems this, (#2) is a question Council members could ask of the City Attorney.  They have a right to know... a need to know.

3) The legal issue now established, next ask Rook's superiors to respond to suggestions they (the Nfld News) has been involved in an illegal use of "confidential" information. 

If the answers to these seem to support the conclusion: "improprieties have been going on"... what then?

NOTE:  Since it appears the Mayor, being the most likely to benefit from exposing the manner in which these packet notes penetrated the News system... It might make good sense to ask him to pursue this information on behalf of beleaguered citizens. (He'll understand beleaguered)  

While other Council members might NOT  want "His Honor" to "get involved" they can hardly rebuke him for responding to a citizen's direct request.  Or, for successful recognition of concerns, do requests need to be associated with rental properties, sidewalks, speed limits and the such?

I assure you, if I had any official status, I'd lead the questioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From:  growing weary of this banter</p>
<p>If you want to know the source of the &#8220;packet&#8221; leak to Suzzanne Rook&#8230; and whether it&#8217;s legal or not, I&#8217;d suggest three steps:</p>
<p>1) Officially ask your Council person the question of legality, suggesting that it seems reasonable that someone connected with that packet (staff who prepared it - Council who received it) had the only likely hand in the transaction, therefore, the answer, like the &#8220;perp&#8221; must sit on the dais.</p>
<p>1.a) Perhaps the League of Women voters, who may have more status in affairs of this nature than any one individual, could ask this on behalf of the Community.  I&#8217;m reasonably confident League Board members monitor this blog.  I also have a sense that LWV has met &#8220;in camera&#8221; with top officials recently in pursuit of fact disclosure of this nature.</p>
<p>2) Then, assuming the entity asking the question, finds there is a legal issue in transporting the information in question, also ask if the paper is restricted in their use of &#8220;illegally obtained information.  Seems this, (#2) is a question Council members could ask of the City Attorney.  They have a right to know&#8230; a need to know.</p>
<p>3) The legal issue now established, next ask Rook&#8217;s superiors to respond to suggestions they (the Nfld News) has been involved in an illegal use of &#8220;confidential&#8221; information. </p>
<p>If the answers to these seem to support the conclusion: &#8220;improprieties have been going on&#8221;&#8230; what then?</p>
<p>NOTE:  Since it appears the Mayor, being the most likely to benefit from exposing the manner in which these packet notes penetrated the News system&#8230; It might make good sense to ask him to pursue this information on behalf of beleaguered citizens. (He&#8217;ll understand beleaguered)  </p>
<p>While other Council members might NOT  want &#8220;His Honor&#8221; to &#8220;get involved&#8221; they can hardly rebuke him for responding to a citizen&#8217;s direct request.  Or, for successful recognition of concerns, do requests need to be associated with rental properties, sidewalks, speed limits and the such?</p>
<p>I assure you, if I had any official status, I&#8217;d lead the questioning.</p>
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