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	<title>Comments on: Is the city&#8217;s Charter partially to blame for the woes at City Hall?</title>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-45661</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; In today's Nfld News, Suzy Rook has an article titled: &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&#38;TypeID=1&#38;ArticleID=22064&#38;SectionID=21&#38;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow"&gt;Council to charter group: Edit letter or pay up&lt;/a&gt;.
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  &lt;p&gt;While the Charter Commission is an autonomous board, some councilors felt the council should approve the letter because the city is paying to mail it out. Councilors on Monday asked the commission to take out large chunks of the letter, including specifics phrases quoting the charter.
  &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;We've had other discussion on the Charter &lt;a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2709/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In today&#8217;s Nfld News, Suzy Rook has an article titled: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&amp;TypeID=1&amp;ArticleID=22064&amp;SectionID=21&amp;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow">Council to charter group: Edit letter or pay up</a>.
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<p>While the Charter Commission is an autonomous board, some councilors felt the council should approve the letter because the city is paying to mail it out. Councilors on Monday asked the commission to take out large chunks of the letter, including specifics phrases quoting the charter.
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<p>We&#8217;ve had other discussion on the Charter <a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2709/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br />
  
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-42130</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; In today's Nfld News: &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&#38;TypeID=1&#38;ArticleID=21920&#38;SectionID=21&#38;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow"&gt;Charter Commission official seeks meeting.&lt;/a&gt;
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  &lt;p&gt;Alex Beeby says when the Charter Commission meets Tuesday he will recommend it sit down with the city council to work through several councilors' concerns. The commission chair said he believes the commission needs to steer clear of the controversy that's enveloping Northfield. "I think it's what we need to do," he said.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In today&#8217;s Nfld News: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&amp;TypeID=1&amp;ArticleID=21920&amp;SectionID=21&amp;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow">Charter Commission official seeks meeting.</a>
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<p>Alex Beeby says when the Charter Commission meets Tuesday he will recommend it sit down with the city council to work through several councilors&#8217; concerns. The commission chair said he believes the commission needs to steer clear of the controversy that&#8217;s enveloping Northfield. &#8220;I think it&#8217;s what we need to do,&#8221; he said.<br />
    
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-41388</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great discussion Monday night. The council invited Charter Commission Chair Alex Beebe to have a joint work session including the council and commission to discuss how the two groups should interact. The councilors acknowledged that while the commission is a separate subdivision of the state, it might be good for the city to appropriate a budget so the commission can send out educational materials to the public. They also discussed the questions brought by a citizen to the charter commission and while they didn't think the commission's role included investigating the council, they agreed to discuss at the work session how to deal with such issues in the future.
All in all, a very respectful effort to open an ongoing dialogue with the commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a great discussion Monday night. The council invited Charter Commission Chair Alex Beebe to have a joint work session including the council and commission to discuss how the two groups should interact. The councilors acknowledged that while the commission is a separate subdivision of the state, it might be good for the city to appropriate a budget so the commission can send out educational materials to the public. They also discussed the questions brought by a citizen to the charter commission and while they didn&#8217;t think the commission&#8217;s role included investigating the council, they agreed to discuss at the work session how to deal with such issues in the future.<br />
All in all, a very respectful effort to open an ongoing dialogue with the commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-41363</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; Jane McWilliams included &lt;a href="http://lwvnorthfieldmn.org/weblog/post/998/" rel="nofollow"&gt;these comments in her LWV blog post&lt;/a&gt; about this week's City Council meeting where Charter Commission was discussed:
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  &lt;p&gt;Two communications from the Charter Commission were tabled for further study. One was an information item informing the council that the commission would send a letter to residents in the next city utility bill mailing. Councilman Cashman explained that the commission is not an advisory board or commission. It is considered an independent political subdivision and doesn’t go through the same channels as other boards.&#160; He said the council has a responsibility for what goes out in the water bills. (The League had gone to the commission to suggest that they and the League work together to inform the public of the charter’s contents. The commission took on the job of drafting the letter. The League may work on&#160; additional ways to educate the citizens about this document.)
  &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;The other commission request was for answers to questions about whether the City has violated the charter, whether the charter is clear or unclear and needs amendment. The issue arose when a citizen, Dave Maroney, appeared before the commission alleging that the city had violated portions of the charter in hiring as City Engineer a shareholder and employee of a company which was doing road construction for the city. At issue is whether the commission has authority to take on matters like this one. An advisory letter from City Attorney Swanson was mentioned, but not seen by the observer,&#160; which said it was outside the authority of the commission.
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&lt;p&gt;&#160;Kathy E. Tezla, president of the League of Women Voters Northfield/Cannon Falls, has a &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&#38;SubSectionID=454&#38;ArticleID=21870&#38;TM=26954.99" rel="nofollow"&gt;letter to the editor in today's Nfld News&lt;/a&gt;.
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  &lt;p&gt;Our recent initiative with the Northfield Charter Commission, suggesting that the commission write a letter to the public encouraging residents to become familiar with the content of the charter and ordinances, is part of that ongoing commitment. The LWV plans follow-up opportunities for community education about government issues in the coming year with the goal of promoting the kind of informed political involvement on which a healthy democracy depends.&lt;span style="font-family: ARIAL,SANS SERIF; font-size: 12px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;And for reference, Charter Commission Chair Alex Beeby appeared on our &lt;a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2709/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Locally Grown radio show/podcast last November&lt;/a&gt;.&#160;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Jane McWilliams included <a href="http://lwvnorthfieldmn.org/weblog/post/998/" rel="nofollow">these comments in her LWV blog post</a> about this week&#8217;s City Council meeting where Charter Commission was discussed:
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<p>Two communications from the Charter Commission were tabled for further study. One was an information item informing the council that the commission would send a letter to residents in the next city utility bill mailing. Councilman Cashman explained that the commission is not an advisory board or commission. It is considered an independent political subdivision and doesn’t go through the same channels as other boards.&nbsp; He said the council has a responsibility for what goes out in the water bills. (The League had gone to the commission to suggest that they and the League work together to inform the public of the charter’s contents. The commission took on the job of drafting the letter. The League may work on&nbsp; additional ways to educate the citizens about this document.)
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<p>The other commission request was for answers to questions about whether the City has violated the charter, whether the charter is clear or unclear and needs amendment. The issue arose when a citizen, Dave Maroney, appeared before the commission alleging that the city had violated portions of the charter in hiring as City Engineer a shareholder and employee of a company which was doing road construction for the city. At issue is whether the commission has authority to take on matters like this one. An advisory letter from City Attorney Swanson was mentioned, but not seen by the observer,&nbsp; which said it was outside the authority of the commission.
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<p>&nbsp;Kathy E. Tezla, president of the League of Women Voters Northfield/Cannon Falls, has a <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&amp;SubSectionID=454&amp;ArticleID=21870&amp;TM=26954.99" rel="nofollow">letter to the editor in today&#8217;s Nfld News</a>.
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<p>Our recent initiative with the Northfield Charter Commission, suggesting that the commission write a letter to the public encouraging residents to become familiar with the content of the charter and ordinances, is part of that ongoing commitment. The LWV plans follow-up opportunities for community education about government issues in the coming year with the goal of promoting the kind of informed political involvement on which a healthy democracy depends.<span style="font-family: ARIAL,SANS SERIF; font-size: 12px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span>
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<p>And for reference, Charter Commission Chair Alex Beeby appeared on our <a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2709/" rel="nofollow">Locally Grown radio show/podcast last November</a>.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40888</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They've fixed the link:
http://northfieldnews.com/ftp/request/index.html

Use the play or forward/back buttons in the upper right corner to scroll thru the scanned copies of the documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve fixed the link:<br />
<a href="http://northfieldnews.com/ftp/request/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://northfieldnews.com/ftp/request/index.html</a></p>
<p>Use the play or forward/back buttons in the upper right corner to scroll thru the scanned copies of the documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40647</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn't my link, Kiffi... I linked to the article, not the docs. But I've alerted Jaci Smith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t my link, Kiffi&#8230; I linked to the article, not the docs. But I&#8217;ve alerted Jaci Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40640</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly,
Sam Gett came on as publisher after the last election, and Jaci Smith came on as managing editor last fall. I didn't read a threat in the words you quoted, just the usual hard line from editors who want readers to know they are going to go all mushy just because they congratulated him.
There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about how the newspaper business works, which is very, very common and understandable. Trust me, decisions almost never involve as much coordinated strategy and deliberation as most people think. 
Read back over every post on any of these threads and you can see people misunderstanding each other's comments all the time. Getting your thoughts out in a way that's absolutely clear, detailed, brief and on deadline is an amazing juggling act. 
It might be a great idea for someone to invite the paper to do a town hall meeting or an informal Q &#38; A session some time. It's really an interesting business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly,<br />
Sam Gett came on as publisher after the last election, and Jaci Smith came on as managing editor last fall. I didn&#8217;t read a threat in the words you quoted, just the usual hard line from editors who want readers to know they are going to go all mushy just because they congratulated him.<br />
There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about how the newspaper business works, which is very, very common and understandable. Trust me, decisions almost never involve as much coordinated strategy and deliberation as most people think.<br />
Read back over every post on any of these threads and you can see people misunderstanding each other&#8217;s comments all the time. Getting your thoughts out in a way that&#8217;s absolutely clear, detailed, brief and on deadline is an amazing juggling act.<br />
It might be a great idea for someone to invite the paper to do a town hall meeting or an informal Q &amp; A session some time. It&#8217;s really an interesting business&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Cairns</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40636</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi, I wonder about the paper not "liking" you.  I think it's hard for some people to get printed, while others easily find space, and I wonder if it has to do with political leanings.  

Take this last Saturday's editorial.  I read a hint of "threat" in there... did anyone else, or was it along the lines of being a good citizen?  

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Congratulations, and good luck.  Because, rest assured, we will hold you and your colleagues accountable."&lt;/blockquote&gt;  

At least I wondered if they would have said the same thing if Ray would have won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi, I wonder about the paper not &#8220;liking&#8221; you.  I think it&#8217;s hard for some people to get printed, while others easily find space, and I wonder if it has to do with political leanings.  </p>
<p>Take this last Saturday&#8217;s editorial.  I read a hint of &#8220;threat&#8221; in there&#8230; did anyone else, or was it along the lines of being a good citizen?  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Congratulations, and good luck.  Because, rest assured, we will hold you and your colleagues accountable.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>At least I wondered if they would have said the same thing if Ray would have won.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40615</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff: I get the distinct feeling that the newspaper doesn't "like" me: I'd rather not  correct them again.

I have been critical of what I perceive to be their bias, and on two issues re: their website ( 1. the initial problem of a hyperlink opening to each e-mail address of a submitter of comment and 2. their permission of anonymous on-line  comment submissions, when that is not allowed policy on letters to the editor).

Why don't you do it?, especially since it was your link.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff: I get the distinct feeling that the newspaper doesn&#8217;t &#8220;like&#8221; me: I&#8217;d rather not  correct them again.</p>
<p>I have been critical of what I perceive to be their bias, and on two issues re: their website ( 1. the initial problem of a hyperlink opening to each e-mail address of a submitter of comment and 2. their permission of anonymous on-line  comment submissions, when that is not allowed policy on letters to the editor).</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you do it?, especially since it was your link&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40593</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right, Kiffi. Can you alert them that the link to &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/ftp/request/index/html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Attorney, council and commission documents&lt;/a&gt; doesn't work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Kiffi. Can you alert them that the link to <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/ftp/request/index/html" rel="nofollow">Attorney, council and commission documents</a> doesn&#8217;t work?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40590</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff: It should be noted that  the link to the other docs from that article, attorney Swanson's letter, etc., come up as"page not found" on the papers online site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff: It should be noted that  the link to the other docs from that article, attorney Swanson&#8217;s letter, etc., come up as&#8221;page not found&#8221; on the papers online site.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40422</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; In today's Nfld News: &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&#38;TypeID=1&#38;ArticleID=21857&#38;SectionID=21&#38;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow"&gt;City attorney, Charter Comm. at odds over request Commission has questions about citizen’s questions&lt;/a&gt;
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  &lt;p&gt;A letter from city attorney Maren Swanson to members of the Charter Commission could signal the start of yet another political tug-of-war. In a Dec. 21 letter, Swanson tells commission members that their request for answers pertaining to city engineering contracts is outside the commission's scope and that she has recommended that the council not respond to the questions expected to come before it Monday night.
  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In today&#8217;s Nfld News: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&amp;TypeID=1&amp;ArticleID=21857&amp;SectionID=21&amp;SubSectionID=451" rel="nofollow">City attorney, Charter Comm. at odds over request Commission has questions about citizen’s questions</a>
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<p>A letter from city attorney Maren Swanson to members of the Charter Commission could signal the start of yet another political tug-of-war. In a Dec. 21 letter, Swanson tells commission members that their request for answers pertaining to city engineering contracts is outside the commission&#8217;s scope and that she has recommended that the council not respond to the questions expected to come before it Monday night.
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-40236</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a new and fascinating "twist" to the interaction of the council and the Charter Commission...
Here's a quote from the 12.26.07 NF News:
"City councilors have taken the unusual step of asking to look at a Charter Commission letter before it's sent to residents.
The commission, an independent group whose members are appointed by a district court judge, has no oversight from the council."

I think the words which raise a serious questions here are "unusual", "independent", and "no oversight". 

Further on in the article this statement appears:  "While other city boards and commissions have sent similar mailings without getting council approval, Roder said it's the charter commission's  independence that necessitates the oversight."

The charter commissions "independence that necessitates the oversight"...
Hmmm... sounding a little like 1984 , and we are sooo way past that; at least I had thought so. 

Does this concern about "independence" mean that all other boards and commissions are not independent thinkers... No way! I am very proud of the fact that NF has all these citizen boards and Commissions; that reflects the level of involvement people in this town wish to have, in order to keep  citizens' strongly held values in front of the community, and its city council.

I strongly hope that this council "review" does not impact negatively on either the council's credibility, or that of this court appointed body of diligent citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a new and fascinating &#8220;twist&#8221; to the interaction of the council and the Charter Commission&#8230;<br />
Here&#8217;s a quote from the 12.26.07 NF News:<br />
&#8220;City councilors have taken the unusual step of asking to look at a Charter Commission letter before it&#8217;s sent to residents.<br />
The commission, an independent group whose members are appointed by a district court judge, has no oversight from the council.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the words which raise a serious questions here are &#8220;unusual&#8221;, &#8220;independent&#8221;, and &#8220;no oversight&#8221;. </p>
<p>Further on in the article this statement appears:  &#8220;While other city boards and commissions have sent similar mailings without getting council approval, Roder said it&#8217;s the charter commission&#8217;s  independence that necessitates the oversight.&#8221;</p>
<p>The charter commissions &#8220;independence that necessitates the oversight&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Hmmm&#8230; sounding a little like 1984 , and we are sooo way past that; at least I had thought so. </p>
<p>Does this concern about &#8220;independence&#8221; mean that all other boards and commissions are not independent thinkers&#8230; No way! I am very proud of the fact that NF has all these citizen boards and Commissions; that reflects the level of involvement people in this town wish to have, in order to keep  citizens&#8217; strongly held values in front of the community, and its city council.</p>
<p>I strongly hope that this council &#8220;review&#8221; does not impact negatively on either the council&#8217;s credibility, or that of this court appointed body of diligent citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Podcast: Alex Beeby on Northfield&#8217;s City Charter - Locally Grown</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-32618</link>
		<dc:creator>Podcast: Alex Beeby on Northfield&#8217;s City Charter - Locally Grown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disagree on city format: manager-administrator mix causes problems. See our Nov. 4 blog post Is the city’s Charter partially to blame for the woes at City Hall? for more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] disagree on city format: manager-administrator mix causes problems. See our Nov. 4 blog post Is the city’s Charter partially to blame for the woes at City Hall? for more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-31160</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Woes at City Hall" are being  discussed tonight t the council meeting, as they receive a proposal from the mediation team ...What will the CC do?  Will "it" be effective?

Just so it "fits" the thread... there is also an amendment to the hospital section of the charter on the agenda tonight. The council must approve it unanimously for it to be adopted; two options if they do not unanimously approve,send it back to charter commission, or charter commission can take it to public vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Woes at City Hall&#8221; are being  discussed tonight t the council meeting, as they receive a proposal from the mediation team &#8230;What will the CC do?  Will &#8220;it&#8221; be effective?</p>
<p>Just so it &#8220;fits&#8221; the thread&#8230; there is also an amendment to the hospital section of the charter on the agenda tonight. The council must approve it unanimously for it to be adopted; two options if they do not unanimously approve,send it back to charter commission, or charter commission can take it to public vote.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-30940</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all...

Not ever thinking of putting words in Alex Beeby's mouth - still, in a very casual conversation I had with Alex - I believe he said (or implied) - his reading of LG has  tapered off due to its mass of material he found not too interesting...  (NOT TOO INTERESTING - are my words)  

In any event, I definitely felt Alex was saying to me, "the information he received... was not worth the time necessary to follow LG".

I'm not saying this to put LG down - not at all.  I wouldn't have to quote another, to make my charge on the blog... but, He's busy, works, goes to school, has kids (2 or is it 3?) and simply is not at this time allocating any of his spare spare-time, to follow LG threads as they meander on or off course. 

As one casually stands in line waiting for a subway, perusing the News is easier, than a read of LG.  That makes sense.  

Nothing sinister here - simply a best use of time, decision.  

As we've read, Alex commented to the N'Fld News in response to an article they published - correcting information the News felt compelled to disperse.  

What perhaps is interesting to note -sociologically speaking, is, the usual suspects who comment on LG... are seldom seen in print in the Nfld News Opinion pages... and as Kiffi often points out... seldom appear at the City Council's Open mic, giving credence to Griff's sense: many have something to say - but evidently feel uncomfortable saying it in public.  Hmmmmm?

Perhaps as another thread explored, there's fear of the public's wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all&#8230;</p>
<p>Not ever thinking of putting words in Alex Beeby&#8217;s mouth - still, in a very casual conversation I had with Alex - I believe he said (or implied) - his reading of LG has  tapered off due to its mass of material he found not too interesting&#8230;  (NOT TOO INTERESTING - are my words)  </p>
<p>In any event, I definitely felt Alex was saying to me, &#8220;the information he received&#8230; was not worth the time necessary to follow LG&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this to put LG down - not at all.  I wouldn&#8217;t have to quote another, to make my charge on the blog&#8230; but, He&#8217;s busy, works, goes to school, has kids (2 or is it 3?) and simply is not at this time allocating any of his spare spare-time, to follow LG threads as they meander on or off course. </p>
<p>As one casually stands in line waiting for a subway, perusing the News is easier, than a read of LG.  That makes sense.  </p>
<p>Nothing sinister here - simply a best use of time, decision.  </p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve read, Alex commented to the N&#8217;Fld News in response to an article they published - correcting information the News felt compelled to disperse.  </p>
<p>What perhaps is interesting to note -sociologically speaking, is, the usual suspects who comment on LG&#8230; are seldom seen in print in the Nfld News Opinion pages&#8230; and as Kiffi often points out&#8230; seldom appear at the City Council&#8217;s Open mic, giving credence to Griff&#8217;s sense: many have something to say - but evidently feel uncomfortable saying it in public.  Hmmmmm?</p>
<p>Perhaps as another thread explored, there&#8217;s fear of the public&#8217;s wrath.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-30627</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff and Tracy: You didn't say why Alex is no longer following LG; since you put it on this thread, is it because of this  discussion? Did you find out why he's no longer following LG before you perpetrated such violence on the poor fellow?
Tracy, I'm shocked at your reported behavior !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff and Tracy: You didn&#8217;t say why Alex is no longer following LG; since you put it on this thread, is it because of this  discussion? Did you find out why he&#8217;s no longer following LG before you perpetrated such violence on the poor fellow?<br />
Tracy, I&#8217;m shocked at your reported behavior !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-30502</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy and I saw Alex Beeby, Chair of the Charter Commission, yesterday at the GBM and he said he's no longer following Locally Grown.  After we beat him bloody and ripped out his tongue, I made a note to myself to link to his long &lt;a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?Search=1&#038;ArticleID=21386&#038;SectionID=26&#038;SubSectionID=&#038;S=1" rel="nofollow"&gt;letter to the editor in the Northfield News regarding this Charter issue&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy and I saw Alex Beeby, Chair of the Charter Commission, yesterday at the GBM and he said he&#8217;s no longer following Locally Grown.  After we beat him bloody and ripped out his tongue, I made a note to myself to link to his long <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?Search=1&#038;ArticleID=21386&#038;SectionID=26&#038;SubSectionID=&#038;S=1" rel="nofollow">letter to the editor in the Northfield News regarding this Charter issue</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-29118</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As David Emery said, the Charter is a piece of paper; a document. It can no more willfully, or certainly, control behavior than can a speed limit sign.
The speed limit sign analogy is a good one, because things are out of control at city hall, and the power struggles are "Full speed ahead". 
We cannot continue to allow what the public perceives as "cover-ups"; I'm tired of council and staff hiding behind lawsuit or investigation issues. They can choose to have every meeting be open if they agree to those rules; lots of luck ... they don't even release summaries of the content of their closed meetings, and that is required by law.
The public was pretty darn mad at the Nov. 1 special meeting; that's not just me, but the 16-20 people who chose to comment. 
Did you hear it make a difference?
Did anyone say they were sorry?
Did they give any information that was not even MORE limiting, as to forthcoming facts from investigations?

And please, don't say it was not the "public" who was there; It was the public, as represented by those citizens of this community who chose to come and listen in person, or  to speak. For those who choose to say the public who speaks, speaks not for them ... well, then show up and speak for yourself.
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As David Emery said, the Charter is a piece of paper; a document. It can no more willfully, or certainly, control behavior than can a speed limit sign.<br />
The speed limit sign analogy is a good one, because things are out of control at city hall, and the power struggles are &#8220;Full speed ahead&#8221;.<br />
We cannot continue to allow what the public perceives as &#8220;cover-ups&#8221;; I&#8217;m tired of council and staff hiding behind lawsuit or investigation issues. They can choose to have every meeting be open if they agree to those rules; lots of luck &#8230; they don&#8217;t even release summaries of the content of their closed meetings, and that is required by law.<br />
The public was pretty darn mad at the Nov. 1 special meeting; that&#8217;s not just me, but the 16-20 people who chose to comment.<br />
Did you hear it make a difference?<br />
Did anyone say they were sorry?<br />
Did they give any information that was not even MORE limiting, as to forthcoming facts from investigations?</p>
<p>And please, don&#8217;t say it was not the &#8220;public&#8221; who was there; It was the public, as represented by those citizens of this community who chose to come and listen in person, or  to speak. For those who choose to say the public who speaks, speaks not for them &#8230; well, then show up and speak for yourself.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine  Stanton</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2642/#comment-29028</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine  Stanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw &lt;a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/worklife/11/05/hire.congeniality.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article on CNN.com today&lt;/a&gt;.  The headline reads "Wanted: Workers who play well with others."  It seems that skills are not the only thing employers are looking for.  As we can see by the state of our local government today, the business world is not the only place where people skills are anvantageous.

I could not help think of our education system when I read this article.  With so much focus on academic achievment in our public schools, it is good to remember that there are also other qualities we need to encourage in our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/worklife/11/05/hire.congeniality.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">this article on CNN.com today</a>.  The headline reads &#8220;Wanted: Workers who play well with others.&#8221;  It seems that skills are not the only thing employers are looking for.  As we can see by the state of our local government today, the business world is not the only place where people skills are anvantageous.</p>
<p>I could not help think of our education system when I read this article.  With so much focus on academic achievment in our public schools, it is good to remember that there are also other qualities we need to encourage in our children.</p>
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