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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59888</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good catch, guys. I was in a hurry and should have taken more care with my wording. I was thinking about the kids staring at the backs of the tall headrests and in the 'wayback' seats of minivans -- and those staring at video screens. I know they can see out the side windows, and maybe they can see crosswalks through the front windows, though I've ridden in back with the grandkids and the field of vision is not great. 
I do know when we had the walk to school day last fall that many kids seemed completely unaware of when it was their turn to enter the intersection or how the cars were supposed to take turns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch, guys. I was in a hurry and should have taken more care with my wording. I was thinking about the kids staring at the backs of the tall headrests and in the &#8216;wayback&#8217; seats of minivans &#8212; and those staring at video screens. I know they can see out the side windows, and maybe they can see crosswalks through the front windows, though I&#8217;ve ridden in back with the grandkids and the field of vision is not great.<br />
I do know when we had the walk to school day last fall that many kids seemed completely unaware of when it was their turn to enter the intersection or how the cars were supposed to take turns.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good observation Tonyia.  Only infants ride facing backwards.  My 4 year old grandson knows his way from Elko to our house here in Northfield and has since he was two and we drive the back roads.  He likes to look at the St. Ole windmill.  Kids learn if parents take the time to instruct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observation Tonyia.  Only infants ride facing backwards.  My 4 year old grandson knows his way from Elko to our house here in Northfield and has since he was two and we drive the back roads.  He likes to look at the St. Ole windmill.  Kids learn if parents take the time to instruct.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonyia Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonyia Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it's been awhile, my kids are 12 and 20, but they rode facing *forward* in their safety seats (once they were past infant age).

One of my children is of the observant type, and could tell me, turn by turn,  how to drive to the library from my rural home by the time she was in preschool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it&#8217;s been awhile, my kids are 12 and 20, but they rode facing *forward* in their safety seats (once they were past infant age).</p>
<p>One of my children is of the observant type, and could tell me, turn by turn,  how to drive to the library from my rural home by the time she was in preschool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a side-bar, the Target store in down town Seattle is in a three story department store.  Seems strange, but filled a need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a side-bar, the Target store in down town Seattle is in a three story department store.  Seems strange, but filled a need.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59866</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright,
  I sent the photos this morning.  If you did not recieve them let me know.
Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright,<br />
  I sent the photos this morning.  If you did not recieve them let me know.<br />
Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59865</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, so glad you'll be working on the grant that grew out of our Non-Motorized Transportation Task Force. I've mentioned this before, but one key piece of traffic safety is to realize that kids today NEVER see traffic as they are growing up because they ride facing backward in safety seats. They don't see their parents driving, don't see how car drivers and bicyclists and pedestrians interact at intersections. They have no frame of reference unless parents walk with them, ride with them, teach them. As drivers we need to remember that and assume that young pedestrians and bike riders -- and many young drivers -- are dangerously clueless. Add in older drivers and pedestrians who are slower and apt to miss key information around them and the generally faster pace and more crowded streets and it's a wonder we have as few accidents as we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher, so glad you&#8217;ll be working on the grant that grew out of our Non-Motorized Transportation Task Force. I&#8217;ve mentioned this before, but one key piece of traffic safety is to realize that kids today NEVER see traffic as they are growing up because they ride facing backward in safety seats. They don&#8217;t see their parents driving, don&#8217;t see how car drivers and bicyclists and pedestrians interact at intersections. They have no frame of reference unless parents walk with them, ride with them, teach them. As drivers we need to remember that and assume that young pedestrians and bike riders &#8212; and many young drivers &#8212; are dangerously clueless. Add in older drivers and pedestrians who are slower and apt to miss key information around them and the generally faster pace and more crowded streets and it&#8217;s a wonder we have as few accidents as we do.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tassava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Tassava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussion and debate. Parts of Marin County, California, have similar design restrictions; I believe (based on my dim memories of trips there almost 10 years ago) that several towns in Marin compel all businesses to conform to a rather pleasing green and brown color scheme, and to keep the businesses human scale. For me, it's the latter that's crucial: keeping structures on a scale that is inviting, rather than daunting, to humans. Target's downtown Minneapolis store is such a scale-friendly place; ours is definitely not.

On the topic of bike safety and training, I can say - as a member of the newly minted committee which will help administer the community's PaTHS grant (from MnDOT's "Safe Routes to Schools" program) - that better training of children AND adults is part of our plan. As I understand it right now, members of the committee, or other concerned citizens, will attend "train-the-trainer" style workshops, then impart their new skills to young bike riders and adult riders and drivers.

And speaking as a private citizen, I sure wouldn't mind if a few stop sign-running bicyclists got moving-violation tickets from the NPD - say, in front of Bridge Square. I bike every day, and more days than not I see some (usually helmetless) fool blaze through a stop sign on his or her bike. A few well-placed tickets might help slow biking speeds downtown, keep bikers off the sidewalks, and prevent the inevitable tragedy that will happen when Biker A meets Driver B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussion and debate. Parts of Marin County, California, have similar design restrictions; I believe (based on my dim memories of trips there almost 10 years ago) that several towns in Marin compel all businesses to conform to a rather pleasing green and brown color scheme, and to keep the businesses human scale. For me, it&#8217;s the latter that&#8217;s crucial: keeping structures on a scale that is inviting, rather than daunting, to humans. Target&#8217;s downtown Minneapolis store is such a scale-friendly place; ours is definitely not.</p>
<p>On the topic of bike safety and training, I can say - as a member of the newly minted committee which will help administer the community&#8217;s PaTHS grant (from MnDOT&#8217;s &#8220;Safe Routes to Schools&#8221; program) - that better training of children AND adults is part of our plan. As I understand it right now, members of the committee, or other concerned citizens, will attend &#8220;train-the-trainer&#8221; style workshops, then impart their new skills to young bike riders and adult riders and drivers.</p>
<p>And speaking as a private citizen, I sure wouldn&#8217;t mind if a few stop sign-running bicyclists got moving-violation tickets from the NPD - say, in front of Bridge Square. I bike every day, and more days than not I see some (usually helmetless) fool blaze through a stop sign on his or her bike. A few well-placed tickets might help slow biking speeds downtown, keep bikers off the sidewalks, and prevent the inevitable tragedy that will happen when Biker A meets Driver B.</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59854</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Robert, I knew I shouldn't have been emailing that early.

bright@beautywood.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Robert, I knew I shouldn&#8217;t have been emailing that early.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:bright@beautywood.com">bright@beautywood.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59840</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright,  You're e-mail address doesn't work.  Check spelling?  I have the photos ready to send.
Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright,  You&#8217;re e-mail address doesn&#8217;t work.  Check spelling?  I have the photos ready to send.<br />
Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 11:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, thanks for the info on Robert Hall, the store.  I only heard the ads and jingle on the radio and seeing your name, well,  you know.
As for the photos, you can send them to me at 
bright@beatuywood.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, thanks for the info on Robert Hall, the store.  I only heard the ads and jingle on the radio and seeing your name, well,  you know.<br />
As for the photos, you can send them to me at<br />
<a href="mailto:bright@beatuywood.com">bright@beatuywood.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59827</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Bike and Pedestrian access IS currently possible.

You can currently get to the location by the use of the crosswalk and light at Highway 3, or you can use the pedistrian/bikepath under the bridge at the river on Highway 3.

I know it is being used, as I see bikes parked in front of the Athletic club, as well as down at the ballfields behind Tacoasis.

It is NOT fantastic, and there are no sidewalks on Woodley, but you "could" get there.

The safest method currently would be to call Northfield Transit, put your bike on the front, and get dropped off there.

I do not see families with small children being able to access the site a this point. Not enough safety margin in the crosswalk timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Bike and Pedestrian access IS currently possible.</p>
<p>You can currently get to the location by the use of the crosswalk and light at Highway 3, or you can use the pedistrian/bikepath under the bridge at the river on Highway 3.</p>
<p>I know it is being used, as I see bikes parked in front of the Athletic club, as well as down at the ballfields behind Tacoasis.</p>
<p>It is NOT fantastic, and there are no sidewalks on Woodley, but you &#8220;could&#8221; get there.</p>
<p>The safest method currently would be to call Northfield Transit, put your bike on the front, and get dropped off there.</p>
<p>I do not see families with small children being able to access the site a this point. Not enough safety margin in the crosswalk timing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59825</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone rides a bike.  Maybe a Culvers downtown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone rides a bike.  Maybe a Culvers downtown?</p>
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		<title>By: David Henson</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59823</link>
		<dc:creator>David Henson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One can assume that personal responsibility will not solve the bike / pedestrian access to Culvers. In a perfect world with all perfect parents urban design would be easy. The question remains should Culvers be designed for non-auto access or is Northfield's future to become a franchise driven space like Apple Valley, etc ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can assume that personal responsibility will not solve the bike / pedestrian access to Culvers. In a perfect world with all perfect parents urban design would be easy. The question remains should Culvers be designed for non-auto access or is Northfield&#8217;s future to become a franchise driven space like Apple Valley, etc ?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59813</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright,  
  That is a negative on the clothing store chain.  That Robert Hall was a Black American and quite successful!  I did get my first suit there however. Tell me how to get the photos to you.  I have to agree with John Thomas.  It is the parents responsibility to teach and supervise their childeren, not the taxpayers.  It is good to have the PD give imput and provide an overview of the state's regulations, but the parents need to take the responsibility.  More parenting and less babysitting.
If our crack Public Saftey Department would enforce the traffic regulations concerning bikes we would have a lot less to moniter as pedestrians and motorists in my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright,<br />
  That is a negative on the clothing store chain.  That Robert Hall was a Black American and quite successful!  I did get my first suit there however. Tell me how to get the photos to you.  I have to agree with John Thomas.  It is the parents responsibility to teach and supervise their childeren, not the taxpayers.  It is good to have the PD give imput and provide an overview of the state&#8217;s regulations, but the parents need to take the responsibility.  More parenting and less babysitting.<br />
If our crack Public Saftey Department would enforce the traffic regulations concerning bikes we would have a lot less to moniter as pedestrians and motorists in my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59809</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright,

There is the occasional Bike Safety Rodeo put on by the Northfield PD, usually around healthy kids day.

I agree that more of that program would be benefical, however, everything to do with a child begins at home.

I have taught my child the ways of the road on a bicycle. He is quite responsible.

However, as a cyclist, walker, and driver in Northfield, I can say that the habits of cyclists in Northfield are for the most part HORRIBLE!. Cyclists need to remember that they need to follow the rules of the road as well. So many times I have almost hit a cyclist blowing through an intersection, running stop signs, riding against traffic, or my favorite, riding with no hands, in the wrong lane, with the ipod in one ear, and a cell phone in the other.

Safety begins at home, and needs to have refresher training frequently and often.

Also, Sibley is having a bicycle registration next week, but was only allowed to do it BEFORE school. No presentation or registration was allowed during school hours. I think a bike and walking safety assembly in our schools in the spring and fall would be a great thing, and a great use of any "safe routes to schools" funding the city obtains.

I am also a believer that cyclists should be ticketed and fined for traffic offenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright,</p>
<p>There is the occasional Bike Safety Rodeo put on by the Northfield PD, usually around healthy kids day.</p>
<p>I agree that more of that program would be benefical, however, everything to do with a child begins at home.</p>
<p>I have taught my child the ways of the road on a bicycle. He is quite responsible.</p>
<p>However, as a cyclist, walker, and driver in Northfield, I can say that the habits of cyclists in Northfield are for the most part HORRIBLE!. Cyclists need to remember that they need to follow the rules of the road as well. So many times I have almost hit a cyclist blowing through an intersection, running stop signs, riding against traffic, or my favorite, riding with no hands, in the wrong lane, with the ipod in one ear, and a cell phone in the other.</p>
<p>Safety begins at home, and needs to have refresher training frequently and often.</p>
<p>Also, Sibley is having a bicycle registration next week, but was only allowed to do it BEFORE school. No presentation or registration was allowed during school hours. I think a bike and walking safety assembly in our schools in the spring and fall would be a great thing, and a great use of any &#8220;safe routes to schools&#8221; funding the city obtains.</p>
<p>I am also a believer that cyclists should be ticketed and fined for traffic offenses.</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,  still I say this once again.  Everytime I go to downtown Northfield,
I am surprised by a child or yound adult on a bike in the exact wrong place in the street.

Until there is some kind of comprehensive school and licensing for these
pre teenage bikers, I'd be hard pressed to think they will ever be safe.

I have taken to telling them, "Hey! you are in the wrong place!" and then I get an "Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what" kind of look and wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,  still I say this once again.  Everytime I go to downtown Northfield,<br />
I am surprised by a child or yound adult on a bike in the exact wrong place in the street.</p>
<p>Until there is some kind of comprehensive school and licensing for these<br />
pre teenage bikers, I&#8217;d be hard pressed to think they will ever be safe.</p>
<p>I have taken to telling them, &#8220;Hey! you are in the wrong place!&#8221; and then I get an &#8220;Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what&#8221; kind of look and wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59805</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I am already tired of the Farmingon Design.  It looks like a place whre the hamburgers would be manufactured and I do mean manufactured in the truest sense of the word.

Robert Hall-Did your grandpa run a men's clothing chain in Chicago last century?  I'd be happy to see your Micky D photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I am already tired of the Farmingon Design.  It looks like a place whre the hamburgers would be manufactured and I do mean manufactured in the truest sense of the word.</p>
<p>Robert Hall-Did your grandpa run a men&#8217;s clothing chain in Chicago last century?  I&#8217;d be happy to see your Micky D photos.</p>
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		<title>By: David Henson</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59796</link>
		<dc:creator>David Henson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should kids be able to bike/walk over and get a malt at the new Culvers ? What can be done to ensure their safety ? Or will this effectively be a car only experience ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should kids be able to bike/walk over and get a malt at the new Culvers ? What can be done to ensure their safety ? Or will this effectively be a car only experience ?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hall</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3337/#comment-59789</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mc Donalds has several store designs already in use in many states.  In Ashville, N.C. they have a store accross from the Biltmore Estate.  It's design fits with the mountian flavor and has a tin punched ceiling with a baby grand piano.  They also have a Mc Diner theme store in use.  At the west enterance to Yellowstone Park, Mc Donalds has a store that also fits with the wilderness area.  I have photos if any one would like to see them.  Target, Wal-Mart and Home Depot also have varied building designs.  Too bad it wasn't investaged before the Target and speaker food stores were built here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mc Donalds has several store designs already in use in many states.  In Ashville, N.C. they have a store accross from the Biltmore Estate.  It&#8217;s design fits with the mountian flavor and has a tin punched ceiling with a baby grand piano.  They also have a Mc Diner theme store in use.  At the west enterance to Yellowstone Park, Mc Donalds has a store that also fits with the wilderness area.  I have photos if any one would like to see them.  Target, Wal-Mart and Home Depot also have varied building designs.  Too bad it wasn&#8217;t investaged before the Target and speaker food stores were built here.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, pray tell, do you people even THINK McD's?  My filters are up, globally.  I feel the spread of U.S. created franchise biz to other nations is sicko. When I drive-by or approach a franchise ... my auto glass automatically shifts into a blurred gray haze .. I don't see franchises. 

On my last visit, recently I drove through a suburb of Chicago.  With Filters Up, went 6.78 blocks on an arterial business stretch, without seeing a thing, including on coming cars, pedestrians, and low flying aircraft.  Heard an airplane ... and did hear sirens, I think and possibly felt the presence of an oscillating red blur, twisting in my peripheral vision ... ( cop's mars lights?  Maybe?)  but saw no need to stop, or look further.  

Great way to travel the hi an by-ways of 'merica. 

Oh, and by the way .. Earlier on this thread Betsey spoke of her hopes back in the Target day ... that the conversation would shift  to:  "Do it our way!" 

(Could that be the N'fld Brand theme ... sounds familiar ... probably copyright protected )

Don't know where you were Betsey, perhaps raisin' babies, but it (the conversation) did shift ... at the plan commission and publicly, although not successfully.  The old 4 of 7 game (votes!)  

Dicy in those  days .. not well-seated as things are today. Duh!  

I personally was kicked off the Pl Comm. by the Mayor because I lobbied  from my brief PC seat, against the Council's wishes, for a downtown, multiple storied, Q-block-sited Target with a TIF supported parking lot on city owned property, over there.  

Even had a dream then that T would save the Co-op's Elevator and mark it with a T logo much like the T Center in Mpls.... 

That was exactly ten years ago.  

Arguably, using the same vision support in my vehicle today, filtering Brand Name American biz .. I could envision on the site were Cub and T sit today, the corporate business campus, N'fld's EDA had designated the cornfield at Hy 3 and Cnty. 1, for. 

 Arguably the struggling in-fill retail coming north up Hy 3 to Jeff Parkway, would all be of a different nature ...  and the DT, supported by T's presence would be relatively stable.  

Some reasons why that didn't happen.

#4   City's leaders were afraid to take-a-pass on the business ... and related property taxes it would pay.

#3  Citizens were convinced that T's property taxes... would reduce theirs (Citizens) 

#2  Target wanted cost free land, and by purchasing excess acreage they  were able to build on land that eventually Cub and Applebees paid for.

And the number one reason T didn't come DT: The Target representative put nickel bags of M&#38;M's on selected front row seats in the Council Chambers and hungry citizens dressed in Target Red T Shirts filled the seats at every meeting, munching on chocolate and peanuts ... and often finding need to shout-out curses to the Pl Comm. Chairperson.  Fact!  

OTHER FACT:  (Bringing this back to BRANDING)  

T's two or more story retail store didn't fit their (T's) brand or, T's economic plan.  

Evidently it DID fit Northfield's ... or did we have one? 

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I can remember the fifties ... as a six thousand dollar a year television director,  living above a Liquor Store (haunted by liquor stores?) on Chicago's north-side, with a pregnant wife.  Nickels were rare,  pennies were pinched.  At work, we'd go out for lunch, run to the "new concept" eatery with arches  ... FAST-FOOD ... no billions yet sold ... and, with 50¢ in my sweaty hand, purchase a burger with fries and a strawberry shake... and get a few pennies change.

Seemed like a good deal, I must confess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, pray tell, do you people even THINK McD&#8217;s?  My filters are up, globally.  I feel the spread of U.S. created franchise biz to other nations is sicko. When I drive-by or approach a franchise &#8230; my auto glass automatically shifts into a blurred gray haze .. I don&#8217;t see franchises. </p>
<p>On my last visit, recently I drove through a suburb of Chicago.  With Filters Up, went 6.78 blocks on an arterial business stretch, without seeing a thing, including on coming cars, pedestrians, and low flying aircraft.  Heard an airplane &#8230; and did hear sirens, I think and possibly felt the presence of an oscillating red blur, twisting in my peripheral vision &#8230; ( cop&#8217;s mars lights?  Maybe?)  but saw no need to stop, or look further.  </p>
<p>Great way to travel the hi an by-ways of &#8216;merica. </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way .. Earlier on this thread Betsey spoke of her hopes back in the Target day &#8230; that the conversation would shift  to:  &#8220;Do it our way!&#8221; </p>
<p>(Could that be the N&#8217;fld Brand theme &#8230; sounds familiar &#8230; probably copyright protected )</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know where you were Betsey, perhaps raisin&#8217; babies, but it (the conversation) did shift &#8230; at the plan commission and publicly, although not successfully.  The old 4 of 7 game (votes!)  </p>
<p>Dicy in those  days .. not well-seated as things are today. Duh!  </p>
<p>I personally was kicked off the Pl Comm. by the Mayor because I lobbied  from my brief PC seat, against the Council&#8217;s wishes, for a downtown, multiple storied, Q-block-sited Target with a TIF supported parking lot on city owned property, over there.  </p>
<p>Even had a dream then that T would save the Co-op&#8217;s Elevator and mark it with a T logo much like the T Center in Mpls&#8230;. </p>
<p>That was exactly ten years ago.  </p>
<p>Arguably, using the same vision support in my vehicle today, filtering Brand Name American biz .. I could envision on the site were Cub and T sit today, the corporate business campus, N&#8217;fld&#8217;s EDA had designated the cornfield at Hy 3 and Cnty. 1, for. </p>
<p> Arguably the struggling in-fill retail coming north up Hy 3 to Jeff Parkway, would all be of a different nature &#8230;  and the DT, supported by T&#8217;s presence would be relatively stable.  </p>
<p>Some reasons why that didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>#4   City&#8217;s leaders were afraid to take-a-pass on the business &#8230; and related property taxes it would pay.</p>
<p>#3  Citizens were convinced that T&#8217;s property taxes&#8230; would reduce theirs (Citizens) </p>
<p>#2  Target wanted cost free land, and by purchasing excess acreage they  were able to build on land that eventually Cub and Applebees paid for.</p>
<p>And the number one reason T didn&#8217;t come DT: The Target representative put nickel bags of M&amp;M&#8217;s on selected front row seats in the Council Chambers and hungry citizens dressed in Target Red T Shirts filled the seats at every meeting, munching on chocolate and peanuts &#8230; and often finding need to shout-out curses to the Pl Comm. Chairperson.  Fact!  </p>
<p>OTHER FACT:  (Bringing this back to BRANDING)  </p>
<p>T&#8217;s two or more story retail store didn&#8217;t fit their (T&#8217;s) brand or, T&#8217;s economic plan.  </p>
<p>Evidently it DID fit Northfield&#8217;s &#8230; or did we have one? </p>
<p>FULL DISCLOSURE:  I can remember the fifties &#8230; as a six thousand dollar a year television director,  living above a Liquor Store (haunted by liquor stores?) on Chicago&#8217;s north-side, with a pregnant wife.  Nickels were rare,  pennies were pinched.  At work, we&#8217;d go out for lunch, run to the &#8220;new concept&#8221; eatery with arches  &#8230; FAST-FOOD &#8230; no billions yet sold &#8230; and, with 50¢ in my sweaty hand, purchase a burger with fries and a strawberry shake&#8230; and get a few pennies change.</p>
<p>Seemed like a good deal, I must confess.</p>
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