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	<title>Comments on: Guest blogger Athena Currier: That pesky Safety Center minority report</title>
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		<title>By: Safety Center cost-sharing rhetoric heats up &#171; Locally Grown Northfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safety Center cost-sharing rhetoric heats up &#171; Locally Grown Northfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 17:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in July of 2009, Bridgewater Township Supervisor, Kathleen Doran-Norton commented here on LoGro: One of the comments I heard at last night’s inter-governmental meeting was that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in July of 2009, Bridgewater Township Supervisor, Kathleen Doran-Norton commented here on LoGro: One of the comments I heard at last night’s inter-governmental meeting was that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sunday Strib: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/local/south/69487587.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dakota looks to tighten its belt bit more&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In addition to axing the vacant positions, the county has cut money for training and delayed some building projects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Additions to the judicial center, the law enforcement center and the western service center have been delayed three years. Plans for a public safety support center have been dropped for now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday Strib: <a href="http://www.startribune.com/local/south/69487587.html" rel="nofollow">Dakota looks to tighten its belt bit more</a>.</p>
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<p>In addition to axing the vacant positions, the county has cut money for training and delayed some building projects.</p>
<p>Additions to the judicial center, the law enforcement center and the western service center have been delayed three years. Plans for a public safety support center have been dropped for now.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ray Cox was the guest speaker at Lions today.  His common sense approach to creating more and better space for the police and fire departments needs more consideration.  For $3-$4 million, the fire and police can both have their immediate needs met into the forseeable future.  While the result is less than ideal for the police, it would be much better than they have now.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Cox was the guest speaker at Lions today.  His common sense approach to creating more and better space for the police and fire departments needs more consideration.  For $3-$4 million, the fire and police can both have their immediate needs met into the forseeable future.  While the result is less than ideal for the police, it would be much better than they have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-91727</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Councilor Buckheit posted a piece discussing the Police/Fire Station on her website yesterday: http://betseybuckheit.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/safety-center-again/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Councilor Buckheit posted a piece discussing the Police/Fire Station on her website yesterday: <a href="http://betseybuckheit.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/safety-center-again/" rel="nofollow">http://betseybuckheit.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/safety-center-again/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Safety Center, again &#171; Betsey Buckheit</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-91687</link>
		<dc:creator>Safety Center, again &#171; Betsey Buckheit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2: the Minority Opinion from Task Force member Ray Cox (and a discussion over on Locally Grown about this)    Ignoring the problematic way in which Mr Cox chose to get his opinion inserted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2: the Minority Opinion from Task Force member Ray Cox (and a discussion over on Locally Grown about this)    Ignoring the problematic way in which Mr Cox chose to get his opinion inserted [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More work &#8211; Capital improvement discussion starts &#171; Betsey Buckheit</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-90793</link>
		<dc:creator>More work &#8211; Capital improvement discussion starts &#171; Betsey Buckheit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See the official city information here, Northfield News here (the most recent story), Locally Grown here.   The draft CIP numbers for the project are $1,020,000 in 2010 and $9,180,000 in 2011 for design [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See the official city information here, Northfield News here (the most recent story), Locally Grown here.   The draft CIP numbers for the project are $1,020,000 in 2010 and $9,180,000 in 2011 for design [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-89853</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good to have you join the discussion, Suzannah.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An FYI to all: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/meetings/council/2009/8/31/city&#095;council&#095;work&#095;session54&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tonight&#039;s City Council Work Session&lt;/a&gt; has a Safety Center Project Update on the agenda.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to have you join the discussion, Suzannah.</p>
<p>An FYI to all: <a href="http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/meetings/council/2009/8/31/city&#95;council&#95;work&#95;session54" rel="nofollow">tonight&#8217;s City Council Work Session</a> has a Safety Center Project Update on the agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzannah Ciernia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzannah Ciernia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have served on a few transportation committees since moving here in &#039;93. In my opinion, the current location of the Safety Center could not be more optimum for rapidly deploying emergency vehicles in this community. Situated at the intersection of our two busiest highways, in one instant it commands all four directions. There may be other sites in the area that offer other points in their favor. However I do not believe there is any other site which gives us the tactical advantage of immediately shutting down major traffic delays to insure the fastest response to life-threatening emergencies. Seems that should be the top priority in any comparison. And I can think of no other site&#039;s features or costs that would outweigh this advantage. If the building cannot accommodate both fire and police, then I would recommend keeping the fire station there. I would strongly advise against giving up that site for emergency vehicles. Those two highways are not going to be relocated anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have served on a few transportation committees since moving here in &#8217;93. In my opinion, the current location of the Safety Center could not be more optimum for rapidly deploying emergency vehicles in this community. Situated at the intersection of our two busiest highways, in one instant it commands all four directions. There may be other sites in the area that offer other points in their favor. However I do not believe there is any other site which gives us the tactical advantage of immediately shutting down major traffic delays to insure the fastest response to life-threatening emergencies. Seems that should be the top priority in any comparison. And I can think of no other site&#8217;s features or costs that would outweigh this advantage. If the building cannot accommodate both fire and police, then I would recommend keeping the fire station there. I would strongly advise against giving up that site for emergency vehicles. Those two highways are not going to be relocated anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-89796</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Monday&#039;s  (8.31) Council Work Session has the safety center as one of five important items on the agenda.  I scanned it quickly, but there is more information about the safety center project in this packet  than has been seen in a while, including some proposed expansions on the current site, but the implication in the packet is that expansion on the current site would be for a new use, as the recommendation  attributed to the task Force is for a combined site of 47-48,000 square feet on one of two properties being considered.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The packet also says the Taskforce recommends the City Council consider two options for financing: 1. voter approval/referendum of $10.4 million  plus land acquisition costs/General Obligation Bonds, or 2. City Council approval of sale of the same amount of Capital Improvement Bonds; these subject to reverse referendum. (oh oh! Warning; dangerous territory!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Public Safety Taskforce Final Report is included in the packet as Attachment #5; I did not see  the Minority report included.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would recommend people who are interested in this issue, come to listen to the council discussion. It&#039;s #4 on the agenda, preceded by discussions on limiting/reorganizing the Boards and Commissions, skateboard plaza review, and an update on the City Attorney selection process, so it will be a while into the evening.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday&#8217;s  (8.31) Council Work Session has the safety center as one of five important items on the agenda.  I scanned it quickly, but there is more information about the safety center project in this packet  than has been seen in a while, including some proposed expansions on the current site, but the implication in the packet is that expansion on the current site would be for a new use, as the recommendation  attributed to the task Force is for a combined site of 47-48,000 square feet on one of two properties being considered.</p>
<p>The packet also says the Taskforce recommends the City Council consider two options for financing: 1. voter approval/referendum of $10.4 million  plus land acquisition costs/General Obligation Bonds, or 2. City Council approval of sale of the same amount of Capital Improvement Bonds; these subject to reverse referendum. (oh oh! Warning; dangerous territory!)</p>
<p>The Public Safety Taskforce Final Report is included in the packet as Attachment #5; I did not see  the Minority report included.</p>
<p>I would recommend people who are interested in this issue, come to listen to the council discussion. It&#8217;s #4 on the agenda, preceded by discussions on limiting/reorganizing the Boards and Commissions, skateboard plaza review, and an update on the City Attorney selection process, so it will be a while into the evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-89792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ray -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you a bit concerned about our city leaders&#039; decision-making processes?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would seem to me that the first step would be to determine IF we have a problem, the second step would be to determine the SPECIFICS of that problem, and the final step would be to develop possible SOLUTIONS to that problem.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In a democracy, maybe an additional step would be to allow the citizens to decide which solution they are willing to bear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my mind the first step would be that we seem to have a space issue with the fire department.  I&#039;m not sure whether the specifics are, as Kris Vohs suggested, that we have three feet of fire fighter changing space when we need six feet of space or, as you have suggested, that we have three lanes of parking area and we need four lanes of parking area, but I do think that clarifying that need would be the second step.  Finally, I think there should be three levels of proposed solutions, simple, moderate and complex...or, low-cost, medium-cost and high-cost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems city staff met for a year, then a few citizens were added to the group and they continued meeting for a few months.  Apparently the charge to the group was to determine on which site we should build a new $12-15 million facility.  Personally, I don&#039;t think that was a very good process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And now we hear that our city&#039;s leaders are in conversations about purchasing a site.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray -</p>
<p>Are you a bit concerned about our city leaders&#8217; decision-making processes?</p>
<p>It would seem to me that the first step would be to determine IF we have a problem, the second step would be to determine the SPECIFICS of that problem, and the final step would be to develop possible SOLUTIONS to that problem.  </p>
<p>In a democracy, maybe an additional step would be to allow the citizens to decide which solution they are willing to bear.</p>
<p>In my mind the first step would be that we seem to have a space issue with the fire department.  I&#8217;m not sure whether the specifics are, as Kris Vohs suggested, that we have three feet of fire fighter changing space when we need six feet of space or, as you have suggested, that we have three lanes of parking area and we need four lanes of parking area, but I do think that clarifying that need would be the second step.  Finally, I think there should be three levels of proposed solutions, simple, moderate and complex&#8230;or, low-cost, medium-cost and high-cost.</p>
<p>It seems city staff met for a year, then a few citizens were added to the group and they continued meeting for a few months.  Apparently the charge to the group was to determine on which site we should build a new $12-15 million facility.  Personally, I don&#8217;t think that was a very good process.</p>
<p>And now we hear that our city&#8217;s leaders are in conversations about purchasing a site.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The task force, as far as I&#039;m conerned, was mainly charged with looking at sites for a safety center. The majority of our time was spent doing that. I don&#039;t think we were given the task of deciding if Northfield needs a new safety center. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Building a new $12-15 million facility is a huge issue. I would certainly hope that the city council would do a lot more in depth studying before any recommendation is made about a safety center. They have the report from the task force on sites. The administration is in conversations about purchase with the owners of two of the sites. But I don&#039;t think the community has had a chance to weigh in on all the options available, and analyze the needs of the fire and police departments.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The task force, as far as I&#8217;m conerned, was mainly charged with looking at sites for a safety center. The majority of our time was spent doing that. I don&#8217;t think we were given the task of deciding if Northfield needs a new safety center. </p>
<p>Building a new $12-15 million facility is a huge issue. I would certainly hope that the city council would do a lot more in depth studying before any recommendation is made about a safety center. They have the report from the task force on sites. The administration is in conversations about purchase with the owners of two of the sites. But I don&#8217;t think the community has had a chance to weigh in on all the options available, and analyze the needs of the fire and police departments.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, your letter to the editor about the Minority Report appears in today&#039;s Northfield News:
http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=49595&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recently, the Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors decided to support the minority report penned by Ray Cox on the Safety Center issue. Given the value of a $3 million expansion over a $12 million new facility, the choice was obvious. No doubt it would have been easier for Ray to go along with the majority. It took an act of courage, and a keen sense of duty, for him to pen that report.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish I would have had the same courage and sense of duty when the city opted to spend $500,000 to make a new parking lot on Water Street. I voted against it on the committee. But, I didn’t have the same courage and sense of duty that Ray had to pen a minority report. Now we have that new parking lot, and $500,000 less in our collective pockets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are currently many exciting ideas floating around Northfield, such as the skateboard park which is still a possibility. But does it have to cost $600,000? I just heard about 600 feet of bike trail that will cost $240,000. At $400 a foot, lawyers must be building it. I was recently at a committee meeting where everyone but me thought that a pedestrian bridge over Highway 3 at Third Street was a good idea. Yeah, great idea; but how many millions?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On behalf of the chamber, and speaking for myself, I applaud Ray for his courage, and his sense of duty in watching the town’s coffers. In these trying times, we need more Rays to speak up when our enthusiasm gets ahead of our brains and wallets. And, if you want someone to speak for you, contact your chamber.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David Ludescher, Past president
Northfield Area Chamber of Commerce&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, your letter to the editor about the Minority Report appears in today&#8217;s Northfield News:<br />
<a href="http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=49595" rel="nofollow">http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=49595</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Recently, the Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors decided to support the minority report penned by Ray Cox on the Safety Center issue. Given the value of a $3 million expansion over a $12 million new facility, the choice was obvious. No doubt it would have been easier for Ray to go along with the majority. It took an act of courage, and a keen sense of duty, for him to pen that report.</p>
<p>I wish I would have had the same courage and sense of duty when the city opted to spend $500,000 to make a new parking lot on Water Street. I voted against it on the committee. But, I didn’t have the same courage and sense of duty that Ray had to pen a minority report. Now we have that new parking lot, and $500,000 less in our collective pockets.</p>
<p>There are currently many exciting ideas floating around Northfield, such as the skateboard park which is still a possibility. But does it have to cost $600,000? I just heard about 600 feet of bike trail that will cost $240,000. At $400 a foot, lawyers must be building it. I was recently at a committee meeting where everyone but me thought that a pedestrian bridge over Highway 3 at Third Street was a good idea. Yeah, great idea; but how many millions?</p>
<p>On behalf of the chamber, and speaking for myself, I applaud Ray for his courage, and his sense of duty in watching the town’s coffers. In these trying times, we need more Rays to speak up when our enthusiasm gets ahead of our brains and wallets. And, if you want someone to speak for you, contact your chamber.</p>
<p>David Ludescher, Past president<br />
Northfield Area Chamber of Commerce</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ray:  The mayor suggested that the committee wasn&#039;t charged with deciding whether a new safety center was a good idea.  I understood her to say that she just wanted you guys to explore options if it did have to move.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I am interpreting her correctly, then did the Majority Report jump the gun?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray:  The mayor suggested that the committee wasn&#8217;t charged with deciding whether a new safety center was a good idea.  I understood her to say that she just wanted you guys to explore options if it did have to move.</p>
<p>If I am interpreting her correctly, then did the Majority Report jump the gun?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, you are pretty much correct. I served on the task force. We were mainly charged with locating and evaluating sites for a safety center. We did spend a small amount of time looking at the present safety center, mainly focusing on the fire department conditions. We also traveled to 5 other cities to visit their sites, mainly fire halls. All the sites we visited had separate police and fire facilities. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve not seen it, but I understand the engineer&#039;s report contracted for by the city, regarding the present safety center, has been released. A reporter from the News called me yesterday and informed me that the report indicates that for about $325,000 the present facility can be flood protected. I understand it also includes other less costly options so that the present safety center building can continue to be used. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you are pretty much correct. I served on the task force. We were mainly charged with locating and evaluating sites for a safety center. We did spend a small amount of time looking at the present safety center, mainly focusing on the fire department conditions. We also traveled to 5 other cities to visit their sites, mainly fire halls. All the sites we visited had separate police and fire facilities. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not seen it, but I understand the engineer&#8217;s report contracted for by the city, regarding the present safety center, has been released. A reporter from the News called me yesterday and informed me that the report indicates that for about $325,000 the present facility can be flood protected. I understand it also includes other less costly options so that the present safety center building can continue to be used. </p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Landon:  That issue came up during the Chamber discussion with the Mayor and the Administrator.  If I understood the Mayor correctly, the Committee&#039;s primary purpose was to study where the Safety Center would be &lt;em&gt;if it were to be relocated&lt;/em&gt;, not to decide if a new Safety Center should be built.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps one of the Task Force members, the Mayor, or the Administrator could shed some more light on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landon:  That issue came up during the Chamber discussion with the Mayor and the Administrator.  If I understood the Mayor correctly, the Committee&#8217;s primary purpose was to study where the Safety Center would be <em>if it were to be relocated</em>, not to decide if a new Safety Center should be built.</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the Task Force members, the Mayor, or the Administrator could shed some more light on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-89497</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Landon, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would help if you would be more specific on what you don&#039;t understand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Landon, </p>
<p>It would help if you would be more specific on what you don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Landon Michaels</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-89495</link>
		<dc:creator>Landon Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t really understand the purpose of the Task Force Committee.  Could someone explain this more clearly?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand the purpose of the Task Force Committee.  Could someone explain this more clearly?</p>
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		<title>By: actionathena.com &#187; Archive &#187; Minnipeg Part 6</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88906</link>
		<dc:creator>actionathena.com &#187; Archive &#187; Minnipeg Part 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] music at the Cow!  With my dad’s band!  It was fun.  I’m a shitty guitarist. 9)    Wrote an article for the town blog.  Aren’t proposed Safety Centers scintillating? 10)    Attended another [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] music at the Cow!  With my dad’s band!  It was fun.  I’m a shitty guitarist. 9)    Wrote an article for the town blog.  Aren’t proposed Safety Centers scintillating? 10)    Attended another [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Spensley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88600</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Spensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I admit I don&#039;t know the safety issue factors of a combined operation (fire and police combined) versus separate operations, but I heard from a city council member that the city knows that in the not too distant future a second fire station will be needed.  If that is the case, what is the over riding need to place the police only with one of the the eventual two fire stations?   Granted, the second fire station will be a sub station, (likely to be on the north side since the one everyone is talking about will be fairly far south of down town).  But might keeping the police in the middle be worth considering, longer term, perhaps?  And since a second fire station is in the offing, maybe saving money on the first might be a consideration, also.  I agree, though, safety first.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit I don&#8217;t know the safety issue factors of a combined operation (fire and police combined) versus separate operations, but I heard from a city council member that the city knows that in the not too distant future a second fire station will be needed.  If that is the case, what is the over riding need to place the police only with one of the the eventual two fire stations?   Granted, the second fire station will be a sub station, (likely to be on the north side since the one everyone is talking about will be fairly far south of down town).  But might keeping the police in the middle be worth considering, longer term, perhaps?  And since a second fire station is in the offing, maybe saving money on the first might be a consideration, also.  I agree, though, safety first.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88515</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t tell from the placement of the quotation marks in 1.3  WHO said that the safety center task force results are &quot;very preliminary&quot;... however, I must strongly agree with Ross in 1.4, and with his dissatisfaction at that phrasing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whoever said that seems to have little cognizance of the direness  of the monetary situation, or the kind of stress and apprehension that many people are feeling. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To spin the results of the process regarding the task force... which now seem  to require some serious reconsideration... leaves a less than secure feeling in current process of leadership, and the openness of the discussion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell from the placement of the quotation marks in 1.3  WHO said that the safety center task force results are &#8220;very preliminary&#8221;&#8230; however, I must strongly agree with Ross in 1.4, and with his dissatisfaction at that phrasing.</p>
<p>Whoever said that seems to have little cognizance of the direness  of the monetary situation, or the kind of stress and apprehension that many people are feeling. </p>
<p>To spin the results of the process regarding the task force&#8230; which now seem  to require some serious reconsideration&#8230; leaves a less than secure feeling in current process of leadership, and the openness of the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88513</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I understand the process to date correctly, we&#039;ve got over a year&#039;s worth of work between the internal task force and the external task force, not to mention tens of thousands of dollars of staff time and consultant time, for a result that is now being spun as &quot;very preliminary&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me be quite clear that I am only expressing my very personal opinion now...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...with a report that does not appear to have assembled critical information for good decision-making, and a process that does not appear to have even asked, much less answered, many of the key questions, the product currently before us is a recommendation that a number of people within the community view as neither operationally necessary or financially feasible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope you understand my hesitation to raising a toast in celebration of the latest p.r. on this subject.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David -</p>
<p>If I understand the process to date correctly, we&#8217;ve got over a year&#8217;s worth of work between the internal task force and the external task force, not to mention tens of thousands of dollars of staff time and consultant time, for a result that is now being spun as &#8220;very preliminary&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let me be quite clear that I am only expressing my very personal opinion now&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;with a report that does not appear to have assembled critical information for good decision-making, and a process that does not appear to have even asked, much less answered, many of the key questions, the product currently before us is a recommendation that a number of people within the community view as neither operationally necessary or financially feasible.</p>
<p>I hope you understand my hesitation to raising a toast in celebration of the latest p.r. on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Doran-Norton</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88498</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Doran-Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The city has indicated several times over the last year that it plans to talk with the Rural Fire Association and all other entities about financial support for the fire hall. The paper has reported a proposal to raise permit and other fees to pay for it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Drive by the new fire hall in New Prague. For less than $3million, they got more than a gray box.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In terms of location, it&#039;s not about visibility. It&#039;s about projected development patterns, high risk/industrial land usage, increased train traffic, projected car and truck traffic patterns, and congestion at 5th and Hwy3 as factors in the decision of where and how many stations are required to serve our community for the next couple of decades.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city has indicated several times over the last year that it plans to talk with the Rural Fire Association and all other entities about financial support for the fire hall. The paper has reported a proposal to raise permit and other fees to pay for it.</p>
<p>Drive by the new fire hall in New Prague. For less than $3million, they got more than a gray box.</p>
<p>In terms of location, it&#8217;s not about visibility. It&#8217;s about projected development patterns, high risk/industrial land usage, increased train traffic, projected car and truck traffic patterns, and congestion at 5th and Hwy3 as factors in the decision of where and how many stations are required to serve our community for the next couple of decades.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/11883/comment-page-1/#comment-88495</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sean And Kathleen:  to address two people who I admire and most often agree with:   It is essential that we have a new fire hall/station. 
It is essential that the cost be manageable.
It is essential that NF has the cooperation of the Rural Fire Dept.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is absolutely zero reason why we cannot have a cost conscious building which is a fabulous design; a building that is essentially a brilliantly designed pole barn, NOT a grey cube on the highway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jay Jasnoch , where are you?  I know you can do this; you know you can do this! A fabulous design, an exciting design, with industrial materials.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This notion of a building such as Lakeville can afford to put up is just BS; priorities that would ask that at this time are just &#039;screwed up&#039; and fatuous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The building that will make NF &quot;proud&quot; is one that most adequately serves the needs of the fireman and the community, and is a stunning design,  built at  an affordable cost, with the least expensive suitable materials. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean And Kathleen:  to address two people who I admire and most often agree with:   It is essential that we have a new fire hall/station.<br />
It is essential that the cost be manageable.<br />
It is essential that NF has the cooperation of the Rural Fire Dept.</p>
<p>There is absolutely zero reason why we cannot have a cost conscious building which is a fabulous design; a building that is essentially a brilliantly designed pole barn, NOT a grey cube on the highway.</p>
<p>Jay Jasnoch , where are you?  I know you can do this; you know you can do this! A fabulous design, an exciting design, with industrial materials.</p>
<p>This notion of a building such as Lakeville can afford to put up is just BS; priorities that would ask that at this time are just &#8216;screwed up&#8217; and fatuous.</p>
<p>The building that will make NF &#8220;proud&#8221; is one that most adequately serves the needs of the fireman and the community, and is a stunning design,  built at  an affordable cost, with the least expensive suitable materials. </p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ross:  I guess we know what the Cadillac version is.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mayor Rossing talked to the Chamber board on Wednesday.  In fairness to &quot;the City&quot;, it sounds as if planning is in the very preliminary stages.  I don&#039;t think the City has developed a decision rubric on how to value the &quot;safety needs&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks to Ray for sticking his neck out and issuing a Minority Report.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross:  I guess we know what the Cadillac version is.  </p>
<p>Mayor Rossing talked to the Chamber board on Wednesday.  In fairness to &#8220;the City&#8221;, it sounds as if planning is in the very preliminary stages.  I don&#8217;t think the City has developed a decision rubric on how to value the &#8220;safety needs&#8221;. </p>
<p>Thanks to Ray for sticking his neck out and issuing a Minority Report.  </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hayford O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Hayford O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kathleen,
Are the townships contributing to the cost of the new Safety Center?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;What&#039;s expected and would be supported is a serviceable utility building that fits the trucks that we use to keep folks safe, and located where everyone served can be reached without delay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, &quot;located where everyone served can be reached without delay&quot; almost certainly means, &quot;located where everyone can see it.&quot; The existing Safety Center (on the outside, at least, is a pretty nice-looking building. I worry that if the City were to really take the cheap route on the building design that it would simply shorten the life of the new building -- people would get tired of looking at the gray cube on the side of the highway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,<br />
Are the townships contributing to the cost of the new Safety Center?</p>
<blockquote><p>What&#8217;s expected and would be supported is a serviceable utility building that fits the trucks that we use to keep folks safe, and located where everyone served can be reached without delay.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, &#8220;located where everyone served can be reached without delay&#8221; almost certainly means, &#8220;located where everyone can see it.&#8221; The existing Safety Center (on the outside, at least, is a pretty nice-looking building. I worry that if the City were to really take the cheap route on the building design that it would simply shorten the life of the new building &#8212; people would get tired of looking at the gray cube on the side of the highway.</p>
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