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		<title>By: Stephanie Henriksen</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-96179</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Henriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good letter, Ann. I have forwarrded your thoughts to a member of the House Energy Committee (State Legislature). He and I have spoken about the need for a larger (certainly more than the current 500&#039;) setback before. I suggest submitting a resolution to that effect at caucuses Feb. 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good letter, Ann. I have forwarrded your thoughts to a member of the House Energy Committee (State Legislature). He and I have spoken about the need for a larger (certainly more than the current 500&#8242;) setback before. I suggest submitting a resolution to that effect at caucuses Feb. 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Occhiato</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-96176</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Occhiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following is a letter to the editor I have submitted in response to today&#039;s Star Tribune editorial.  Seeing as this is about the tenth letter I have submitted to them without publication, I am including it here in hopes of some local readership.  Thank you.

I am writing in response to today&#039;s editorial on increased wind turbine setbacks.  While the editorial highlights the critical need to increase setbacks to maintain wind&#039;s momentum, it minimizes the reasons why setbacks are important in the first place.
   
There is, in fact, credible evidence that low frequency sound from wind turbines can have a negative impact on health.  The Minnesota Dept. of Health&#039;s white paper on the Public Health Impacts of Wind Turbines outlines this and recommends the cumulative affect of multiple turbines be taken into account when evaluating sound impacts, which is not currently done.  There is a huge amount of circumstantial evidence from homeowners living near turbines all over the world on the negative impacts to quality of life, health, safety, and property values.  While the wind industry and proponents of wind like to point to studies that minimize these issues, numerous other studies show these impacts to be real.

The fact is there are serious issues related to wind farming that need to be addressed including setbacks, environmental regulation, property rights, health, safety, quality of life, and economic justice, among others.  Industrial scale wind turbines clustered in &quot;farms&quot; can ruin neighborhoods and seriously alter the course of people&#039;s lives.  Belittling their concerns will not help the wind industry in Minnesota and it certainly does not make us a national leader.  

As wind continues to spread these problems will only become more pronounced.  Increased setbacks, pre-permitting site guidelines, community support and involvement, alternative modeling, and other solutions are necessary for the continued growth of the wind industry in Minnesota.  Developers, public officials, legislators, and environmental groups have a responsibility to address these issues.
Ann Occhiato</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following is a letter to the editor I have submitted in response to today&#8217;s Star Tribune editorial.  Seeing as this is about the tenth letter I have submitted to them without publication, I am including it here in hopes of some local readership.  Thank you.</p>
<p>I am writing in response to today&#8217;s editorial on increased wind turbine setbacks.  While the editorial highlights the critical need to increase setbacks to maintain wind&#8217;s momentum, it minimizes the reasons why setbacks are important in the first place.</p>
<p>There is, in fact, credible evidence that low frequency sound from wind turbines can have a negative impact on health.  The Minnesota Dept. of Health&#8217;s white paper on the Public Health Impacts of Wind Turbines outlines this and recommends the cumulative affect of multiple turbines be taken into account when evaluating sound impacts, which is not currently done.  There is a huge amount of circumstantial evidence from homeowners living near turbines all over the world on the negative impacts to quality of life, health, safety, and property values.  While the wind industry and proponents of wind like to point to studies that minimize these issues, numerous other studies show these impacts to be real.</p>
<p>The fact is there are serious issues related to wind farming that need to be addressed including setbacks, environmental regulation, property rights, health, safety, quality of life, and economic justice, among others.  Industrial scale wind turbines clustered in &#8220;farms&#8221; can ruin neighborhoods and seriously alter the course of people&#8217;s lives.  Belittling their concerns will not help the wind industry in Minnesota and it certainly does not make us a national leader.  </p>
<p>As wind continues to spread these problems will only become more pronounced.  Increased setbacks, pre-permitting site guidelines, community support and involvement, alternative modeling, and other solutions are necessary for the continued growth of the wind industry in Minnesota.  Developers, public officials, legislators, and environmental groups have a responsibility to address these issues.<br />
Ann Occhiato</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Zorn</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-96168</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Zorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s Strib lead editorial is about wind turbines:

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/82117792.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UUULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s Strib lead editorial is about wind turbines:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/82117792.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UUULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/82117792.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UUULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr</a></p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-94543</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Yesterday&#039;s PiPress: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twincities.com/ci_13991809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Neighbors say keep turbines away: Rural wind projects face unexpected opposition&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Yesterday&#8217;s PiPress: <a href="http://www.twincities.com/ci_13991809" rel="nofollow">Neighbors say keep turbines away: Rural wind projects face unexpected opposition</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Moore</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93724</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anna, 
My husband and I live directly across the gravel road from David Medin. How many times have you and your family driven past our home?  And while representatives from your company have actively solicited the majority of landowners in your project site area, no one has ever walked across that gravel road and spoken to us face to face. Any issues/concerns we have had, came from hard work via a LOT of Greenvale Township residents. Thus we have used whatever public forum we could to express our concerns. Don&#039;t give me your song and dance about being concerned about the community, when the only &quot;community&quot; you were concerned with turned out to be landowners who could futher your cause.  This was never about being GREEN  for the environment, it was about the GREEN in your pockets, at the expense of good hardworking people who will have to live with the fallout of a wind farm. Your company thought they could come in and pull the wool over the eyes of our township, and you found people who were  just as smart as you are. The most ironic piece is, if people want wind energy, they can purchase it right now. Call your energy company, tell them you want to purchase wind power, it&#039;s available NOW!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,<br />
My husband and I live directly across the gravel road from David Medin. How many times have you and your family driven past our home?  And while representatives from your company have actively solicited the majority of landowners in your project site area, no one has ever walked across that gravel road and spoken to us face to face. Any issues/concerns we have had, came from hard work via a LOT of Greenvale Township residents. Thus we have used whatever public forum we could to express our concerns. Don&#8217;t give me your song and dance about being concerned about the community, when the only &#8220;community&#8221; you were concerned with turned out to be landowners who could futher your cause.  This was never about being GREEN  for the environment, it was about the GREEN in your pockets, at the expense of good hardworking people who will have to live with the fallout of a wind farm. Your company thought they could come in and pull the wool over the eyes of our township, and you found people who were  just as smart as you are. The most ironic piece is, if people want wind energy, they can purchase it right now. Call your energy company, tell them you want to purchase wind power, it&#8217;s available NOW!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Occhiato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Occhiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carol,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That seems like a very good idea for all townships to have something like that so when developers want to come in there is mapping of good locations already at hand.  Also, all counties should opt in to control 5megawatt - 25megawatt wind projects.  A big part of the problem with the Greenvale project is that no one who knows the land or normally has a say in land use planning (done at the township level) is involved in the decision making process.  In this case, the Medins and Sparks described the environment inside the project area (not correctly either, I might add) in their application with no information included about the surrounding habitat.  Then, five folks on the PUC, who know nothing about the area, get to decide if the project is legit.   This system seems designed to overlook important considerations.  Why is wind exempted from environmental review?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, Carol, do you know of any projects where turbines were spread out over a larger area instead of clustered?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol,</p>
<p>That seems like a very good idea for all townships to have something like that so when developers want to come in there is mapping of good locations already at hand.  Also, all counties should opt in to control 5megawatt -- 25megawatt wind projects.  A big part of the problem with the Greenvale project is that no one who knows the land or normally has a say in land use planning (done at the township level) is involved in the decision making process.  In this case, the Medins and Sparks described the environment inside the project area (not correctly either, I might add) in their application with no information included about the surrounding habitat.  Then, five folks on the PUC, who know nothing about the area, get to decide if the project is legit.   This system seems designed to overlook important considerations.  Why is wind exempted from environmental review?</p>
<p>Also, Carol, do you know of any projects where turbines were spread out over a larger area instead of clustered?</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Overland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Overland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, I had an interesting chat with Tim Carlsgaard of Xcel Friday in Lakeville (at the CapX 2020 Draft EIS Public Meeting -- CapX 2020 may also be coming to Greenvale).  Anyway, Tim&#039;s been keeping up with the wind project issues, and told me that an engineer had done some wind turbine siting mapping with overlays.  The first layer was to pick an ___ mile range around a substation between 20-70 or so miles of the Metro that has some wiggle room to add generation.  They then eliminated roads with setbacks.  Then they eliminated wetlands.  There were other things too, and you could take the maps, starting with the big green circle around the substation, the roads covered it with varicose veins, the wetlands covered up a lot, and then residences with various setbacks, 1,200 feet, 2,600 feet or some big number, and even at that, the one he had, Greenfield Twp just 21 miles from the Metro  (I think it was Green and NOT GreenVALE, its the township Jared lives in out west), with big setbacks, there was room for a turbine or two (depending on the landowner, of course!).  With 1,200 foot setbacks, there was a LOT of room.  This needs to be done for all townships with setbacks of at least 1,200; 1,500; 1,750, 2,000, and 2,250 feet.  And I want to see this done around all gas plants, to use gas for wind backup.   And then transmission and wind map overlays -- voila!  Wind Siting 1001.  He said it&#039;s pretty easy to do.  SO, what will it take to get that done and have the Dept. of Commerce trot it around?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, I had an interesting chat with Tim Carlsgaard of Xcel Friday in Lakeville (at the CapX 2020 Draft EIS Public Meeting &#8212; CapX 2020 may also be coming to Greenvale).  Anyway, Tim&#8217;s been keeping up with the wind project issues, and told me that an engineer had done some wind turbine siting mapping with overlays.  The first layer was to pick an ___ mile range around a substation between 20-70 or so miles of the Metro that has some wiggle room to add generation.  They then eliminated roads with setbacks.  Then they eliminated wetlands.  There were other things too, and you could take the maps, starting with the big green circle around the substation, the roads covered it with varicose veins, the wetlands covered up a lot, and then residences with various setbacks, 1,200 feet, 2,600 feet or some big number, and even at that, the one he had, Greenfield Twp just 21 miles from the Metro  (I think it was Green and NOT GreenVALE, its the township Jared lives in out west), with big setbacks, there was room for a turbine or two (depending on the landowner, of course!).  With 1,200 foot setbacks, there was a LOT of room.  This needs to be done for all townships with setbacks of at least 1,200; 1,500; 1,750, 2,000, and 2,250 feet.  And I want to see this done around all gas plants, to use gas for wind backup.   And then transmission and wind map overlays &#8212; voila!  Wind Siting 1001.  He said it&#8217;s pretty easy to do.  SO, what will it take to get that done and have the Dept. of Commerce trot it around?</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Occhiato</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93642</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Occhiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am thankful to the Stribe for finally paying attention to this project but they have missed the point.   Current state regs are inadequate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;State guidelines require wind developers to do their own environmental assessment of the project area and submit it with their application.  That&#039;s it.  (see Minnesota Rules Chapter 7854.0500 at https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/?id=7854.0500).  No other environmental review is required.  No Environmental Assessment Worksheet or Environmental Impact Statement.  Ridiculous.  If this project doesn&#039;t highlight the need for review of those guidelines I don&#039;t know what would.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Setbacks.  500 feet may seem adequate to someone who lives in a town where there might be four homes between you and 500 feet.  But, in the country where there is more open space, 500 feet is nothing.  That is practically on top of a country home.  Setbacks should be increased to a minimum of 1/2 mile or more or developers should be required to compensate residents for their loss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am hoping someone can tell me why the cluster model currently used with wind farms is necessary.  Because most of the negative impacts come from clustering turbines, it seems as though spreading them out could work better.  Does anyone know if that has been done?  If we need wind farms in metro areas then adjusting the model seems necessary to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also want to reiterate that the Sparks and Medins did not halt their project to address residents&#039; concerns as they are stating in their PR over and over again.  They have not contacted any of the residents within the project site.  They halted the project because they did not have the room to fit in enough turbines because residents would not sell their wind rights.  I would bet they are currently looking for additional project sites.  Might be your backyard next!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If so, then more people will understand the frustration of folks circumventing very real and legitimate concerns by stating it&#039;s &quot;simply NIMBY&quot; so they can refrain from actually addressing any issues.  That is an uncaring and compassionless way of looking at this and it is shameful it is acceptable to do so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thankful to the Stribe for finally paying attention to this project but they have missed the point.   Current state regs are inadequate.</p>
<p>State guidelines require wind developers to do their own environmental assessment of the project area and submit it with their application.  That&#8217;s it.  (see Minnesota Rules Chapter 7854.0500 at <a href="https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/?id=7854.0500" rel="nofollow">https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/?id=7854.0500</a>).  No other environmental review is required.  No Environmental Assessment Worksheet or Environmental Impact Statement.  Ridiculous.  If this project doesn&#8217;t highlight the need for review of those guidelines I don&#8217;t know what would.</p>
<p>Setbacks.  500 feet may seem adequate to someone who lives in a town where there might be four homes between you and 500 feet.  But, in the country where there is more open space, 500 feet is nothing.  That is practically on top of a country home.  Setbacks should be increased to a minimum of 1/2 mile or more or developers should be required to compensate residents for their loss.</p>
<p>I am hoping someone can tell me why the cluster model currently used with wind farms is necessary.  Because most of the negative impacts come from clustering turbines, it seems as though spreading them out could work better.  Does anyone know if that has been done?  If we need wind farms in metro areas then adjusting the model seems necessary to me.</p>
<p>I also want to reiterate that the Sparks and Medins did not halt their project to address residents&#8217; concerns as they are stating in their PR over and over again.  They have not contacted any of the residents within the project site.  They halted the project because they did not have the room to fit in enough turbines because residents would not sell their wind rights.  I would bet they are currently looking for additional project sites.  Might be your backyard next!</p>
<p>If so, then more people will understand the frustration of folks circumventing very real and legitimate concerns by stating it&#8217;s &#8220;simply NIMBY&#8221; so they can refrain from actually addressing any issues.  That is an uncaring and compassionless way of looking at this and it is shameful it is acceptable to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93629</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In today&#039;s Strib: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/local/south/70122342.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Windmill farm opponents prompt companies to pause&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s Strib: <a href="http://www.startribune.com/local/south/70122342.html" rel="nofollow">Windmill farm opponents prompt companies to pause</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Cipra</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93263</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Cipra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, sorry, I made that last posting without having noticed George Flavell&#039;s link in posting #18.  I think it&#039;s a different video of the same disaster.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry, I made that last posting without having noticed George Flavell&#8217;s link in posting #18.  I think it&#8217;s a different video of the same disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Cipra</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93262</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Cipra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For what it&#039;s worth, there is a lovely little video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KshskEi1XFo showing a catastrophic turbine failure.  It gives new meaning to the phrase &quot;breaking wind.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, there is a lovely little video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KshskEi1XFo showing a catastrophic turbine failure.  It gives new meaning to the phrase &#8220;breaking wind.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Occhiato</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Occhiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the NNews editors line &quot;adjusted the project once already to address concerns&quot; is a reference to the fact that the project was changed from eleven 1-megawatt turbines to seven 1.5-megawatt turbines, then I challenge that the Medins and Sparks did that to &quot;address concerns&quot;.  That is likely the result of residents not selling their wind rights.  They didn&#039;t have the room to fit in 11 turbines.  So, what concerns of residents have been addressed?  I am not aware of any and it is not (of course) explained in the editorial.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the NNews editors line &#8220;adjusted the project once already to address concerns&#8221; is a reference to the fact that the project was changed from eleven 1-megawatt turbines to seven 1.5-megawatt turbines, then I challenge that the Medins and Sparks did that to &#8220;address concerns&#8221;.  That is likely the result of residents not selling their wind rights.  They didn&#8217;t have the room to fit in 11 turbines.  So, what concerns of residents have been addressed?  I am not aware of any and it is not (of course) explained in the editorial.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Enders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks George.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, if one looks at the rate of&lt;em&gt; any&lt;/em&gt; mechanical breakdown, I found a study on turbine reliably that put the rate of mechanical problems as 1 per turbine per year&lt;em&gt;. &lt;/em&gt; Given the repairs that have been done to the Northfield turbines so far, this doesn&#039;t seem too surprising.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In advocating for wider setbacks for safety, I think it would be well worth your while to gather more detailed information on the frequency, and debris-throwing distances, for catastrophic turbine failures.  There are standardized risk assessment methodologies for assessing safety and health risks, and if the catastrophic failure rate is really as high as the 1-in-1000 that John George&#039;s source suggested, than there might really be a case for demanding a greater-than-500-foot setback.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks George.</p>
<p>Actually, if one looks at the rate of<em> any</em> mechanical breakdown, I found a study on turbine reliably that put the rate of mechanical problems as 1 per turbine per year<em>. </em> Given the repairs that have been done to the Northfield turbines so far, this doesn&#8217;t seem too surprising.</p>
<p>In advocating for wider setbacks for safety, I think it would be well worth your while to gather more detailed information on the frequency, and debris-throwing distances, for catastrophic turbine failures.  There are standardized risk assessment methodologies for assessing safety and health risks, and if the catastrophic failure rate is really as high as the 1-in-1000 that John George&#8217;s source suggested, than there might really be a case for demanding a greater-than-500-foot setback.</p>
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		<title>By: George Flavell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Flavell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In response to;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
 &lt;cite&gt;Patrick Enders  #20 
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&lt;p&gt;Normally I try to gather information that comes from a scientific study or at least from someone who seems to be credible in their knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 1 in 100 I believe  was from a European news cast. If there are 100,000 turbines in operation then the 1,000 number seems high if we are talking about brake failure only, but may be reasonable if  it pertains to any sort of mechanical breakdown. This deserves further investigation.&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <cite>Patrick Enders  #20<br />
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<p>Normally I try to gather information that comes from a scientific study or at least from someone who seems to be credible in their knowledge.</p>
<p>The 1 in 100 I believe  was from a European news cast. If there are 100,000 turbines in operation then the 1,000 number seems high if we are talking about brake failure only, but may be reasonable if  it pertains to any sort of mechanical breakdown. This deserves further investigation.<cite></cite></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Enders</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93252</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link, Griff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be interesting if an opponent of the proposed wind development would propose a mechanism by which the wind turbines might negatively affect the Chub Lake ecosystem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Griff.</p>
<p>It would be interesting if an opponent of the proposed wind development would propose a mechanism by which the wind turbines might negatively affect the Chub Lake ecosystem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Occhiato</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93251</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann Occhiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be wonderful if the world were as simplistic as the editors of the Northfield News seem to believe it is.  Why oh why don&#039;t those whiny Greenvale residents just shut up so we can all have our cake and eat it too?  Right?  The &quot;anti-business&quot; reputation of Northfield (if that exists) is probably because enough residents in Northfield understand that many business practices benefit business owners at the expense of the community and the environment.  It is businesses that need to do better by us, not us by them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This issue is not about wind farms.  This issue is about land use planning and adequate regulations.  Even 1000 foot setbacks are not adequate to maintain a decent quality of life for nearby residents, the PUC guidelines are wholly inadequate, and unjust in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, there are many, many areas of Greenvale that are significantly less populated than the proposed project site.  So far, Medin Renewables and Sparks Energy have refused to explain their siting process.  I believe the reason they won&#039;t is because they did not do due-diligence or best-practice procedures when choosing a project site.  They have a piece of property in the project site, they looked no further than that even though it is directly adjacent to a unique natural area and significantly more populated than other areas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The siting of this wind farm is outrageous and more care needs to be taken, not simply adhering to minimum requirements but choosing to care about the communities in which we live enough to really listen to concerns and plan a project as best as possible to address them.  THAT is what community wind should represent.  Contrary to what Medin and Sparks would like you to believe (and the editors of the Northfields News who have very little idea of what they are talking about) they have not done that.  I am hopeful they will do that now that they are re-evaluating the project.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can every single little issue be addressed?  Probably not.  Will every person be happy with the results?  Probably not.  But, attempts should be made to mitigate as many concerns as possible so we end up with a project that works, that can be replicated, and that the community can be proud of.  I believe this is possible if folks really attempt to work together.  And, I believe the Medins and Sparks are beginning to see the value in that.  It will be vital if wind will be accepted at the level we need it to be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Medins and Sparks have an opportunity here, we ALL have an opportunity here, to create a project that could be a national model of excellence.  Why not strive for that instead of following inadequate state guidelines that have been derived to protect developers at the expense of families?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should want to do better and  I believe we can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be wonderful if the world were as simplistic as the editors of the Northfield News seem to believe it is.  Why oh why don&#8217;t those whiny Greenvale residents just shut up so we can all have our cake and eat it too?  Right?  The &#8220;anti-business&#8221; reputation of Northfield (if that exists) is probably because enough residents in Northfield understand that many business practices benefit business owners at the expense of the community and the environment.  It is businesses that need to do better by us, not us by them.</p>
<p>This issue is not about wind farms.  This issue is about land use planning and adequate regulations.  Even 1000 foot setbacks are not adequate to maintain a decent quality of life for nearby residents, the PUC guidelines are wholly inadequate, and unjust in my opinion.</p>
<p>Also, there are many, many areas of Greenvale that are significantly less populated than the proposed project site.  So far, Medin Renewables and Sparks Energy have refused to explain their siting process.  I believe the reason they won&#8217;t is because they did not do due-diligence or best-practice procedures when choosing a project site.  They have a piece of property in the project site, they looked no further than that even though it is directly adjacent to a unique natural area and significantly more populated than other areas.</p>
<p>The siting of this wind farm is outrageous and more care needs to be taken, not simply adhering to minimum requirements but choosing to care about the communities in which we live enough to really listen to concerns and plan a project as best as possible to address them.  THAT is what community wind should represent.  Contrary to what Medin and Sparks would like you to believe (and the editors of the Northfields News who have very little idea of what they are talking about) they have not done that.  I am hopeful they will do that now that they are re-evaluating the project.</p>
<p>Can every single little issue be addressed?  Probably not.  Will every person be happy with the results?  Probably not.  But, attempts should be made to mitigate as many concerns as possible so we end up with a project that works, that can be replicated, and that the community can be proud of.  I believe this is possible if folks really attempt to work together.  And, I believe the Medins and Sparks are beginning to see the value in that.  It will be vital if wind will be accepted at the level we need it to be.</p>
<p>The Medins and Sparks have an opportunity here, we ALL have an opportunity here, to create a project that could be a national model of excellence.  Why not strive for that instead of following inadequate state guidelines that have been derived to protect developers at the expense of families?</p>
<p>We should want to do better and  I believe we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93244</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ann has a guest column in today&#039;s Nfld News: &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50357&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greenvale wind farm would border ecologically significant lake&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann has a guest column in today&#8217;s Nfld News: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50357" rel="nofollow">Greenvale wind farm would border ecologically significant lake</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93242</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Editorial in today&#039;s Nfld News: &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50358&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Case study: Why we’re not known as business-friendly&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In an Oct. 14 letter to the state, Sparks Energy and Medin Renewable Energy said they needed more time to listen and respond to residents’ concerns.

This is an admirable sentiment, but it’s not like Sparks and Medin have ignored residents. In fact, the developers have gone beyond what was required of them for public comment in the permit’s application process and have adjusted the project once already to address concerns.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Editorial in today&#8217;s Nfld News: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50358" rel="nofollow">Case study: Why we’re not known as business-friendly</a>.</p>
<p>In an Oct. 14 letter to the state, Sparks Energy and Medin Renewable Energy said they needed more time to listen and respond to residents’ concerns.</p>
<p>This is an admirable sentiment, but it’s not like Sparks and Medin have ignored residents. In fact, the developers have gone beyond what was required of them for public comment in the permit’s application process and have adjusted the project once already to address concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Henriksen</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93153</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Henriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sean,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have been hoping St. Olaf envir. studies students might get engaged in the Friday morning stream protection  meetings on third floor of the new Regents building.  That is to address concerns about sensitive acres Northfield wants to annex for an industrial park between Heath Creek and Spring Brook trout stream in Bridgewater Township. We expect Northfield Planning Commission will hold a public hearing in November.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I have been hoping St. Olaf envir. studies students might get engaged in the Friday morning stream protection  meetings on third floor of the new Regents building.  That is to address concerns about sensitive acres Northfield wants to annex for an industrial park between Heath Creek and Spring Brook trout stream in Bridgewater Township. We expect Northfield Planning Commission will hold a public hearing in November.</p>
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		<title>By: john george</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93150</link>
		<dc:creator>john george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Sean. Seems this could be very relevant to the environmental studies program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sean. Seems this could be very relevant to the environmental studies program.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Hayford O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93105</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Hayford O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carolyn, I don&#039;t believe the specifics of where these turbines are to be located has been determined. Since a 500-foot setback is required, however, I think it&#039;s highly unlikely that residents will have more than one of these within 1000 feet of their home (the approx. distance the St. Olaf turbine is from Hoyme and Ytterboe/Manitou Halls).

John, I don&#039;t believe there has been any examination of noise levels, but there may be some look into effects on wildlife. I&#039;ll ask members of the student Environmental Coalition to comment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, I don&#8217;t believe the specifics of where these turbines are to be located has been determined. Since a 500-foot setback is required, however, I think it&#8217;s highly unlikely that residents will have more than one of these within 1000 feet of their home (the approx. distance the St. Olaf turbine is from Hoyme and Ytterboe/Manitou Halls).</p>
<p>John, I don&#8217;t believe there has been any examination of noise levels, but there may be some look into effects on wildlife. I&#8217;ll ask members of the student Environmental Coalition to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Joyce</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93098</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sean and others,
While I appreciate your thoughts on this project, please remember we are NOT referring to a single turbine.  AGAIN, this project will be utilizing no less than seven wind turbines.  I think we can agree that comparing a single turbine with an industrial wind farm is rather pointless in all respects.
Carolyn Joyce
Farmer and resident of Greenvale Township&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean and others,<br />
While I appreciate your thoughts on this project, please remember we are NOT referring to a single turbine.  AGAIN, this project will be utilizing no less than seven wind turbines.  I think we can agree that comparing a single turbine with an industrial wind farm is rather pointless in all respects.<br />
Carolyn Joyce<br />
Farmer and resident of Greenvale Township</p>
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		<title>By: john george</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93091</link>
		<dc:creator>john george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sean- I read your ediorial in the NN. You make a very good point about there being a &quot;test installation&quot; in our own back yard. Do you know if the college is doing any kind of study of any effects of this turbine? Without some peer reviewed study data on decibel levels, sleep patterns, hearing issues, etc, that might be caused by the turbine, we are without any good foundation to support a decision either way. There is a lot of anecdotal information out on the web right now, and without some objective study, much of this information is suspect. What a geat place to conduct a study.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean- I read your ediorial in the NN. You make a very good point about there being a &#8220;test installation&#8221; in our own back yard. Do you know if the college is doing any kind of study of any effects of this turbine? Without some peer reviewed study data on decibel levels, sleep patterns, hearing issues, etc, that might be caused by the turbine, we are without any good foundation to support a decision either way. There is a lot of anecdotal information out on the web right now, and without some objective study, much of this information is suspect. What a geat place to conduct a study.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/13389/comment-page-1/#comment-93031</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Posted 30 minutes ago to the Nfld News site: &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50298&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greenvale wind farm on hold&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;The two local companies behind the development of a proposed wind farm have asked to temporarily halt any further action on the 11-megawatt project located in Greenvale Township.

...

Based on the feedback returned to the companies during the project’s 180-day comment period, which ended on Oct. 7, it was clear township residents still had a number of reservations about the wind farm plans, said Sparks Energy CEO Anna Schmalzbauer.

Many of the complaints centered around the precise placement the turbines, and the distance of those turbines’ setbacks from homes, according to Schmalzbauer.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted 30 minutes ago to the Nfld News site: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=50298" rel="nofollow">Greenvale wind farm on hold</a>.</p>
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<p>The two local companies behind the development of a proposed wind farm have asked to temporarily halt any further action on the 11-megawatt project located in Greenvale Township.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Based on the feedback returned to the companies during the project’s 180-day comment period, which ended on Oct. 7, it was clear township residents still had a number of reservations about the wind farm plans, said Sparks Energy CEO Anna Schmalzbauer.</p>
<p>Many of the complaints centered around the precise placement the turbines, and the distance of those turbines’ setbacks from homes, according to Schmalzbauer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane McWilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Stephanie, for filling in that Rice County information. The situation there  isn&#039;t directly related to the Greenvale Township one, except to point out what a dilemma almost every technological improvement creates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Stephanie, for filling in that Rice County information. The situation there  isn&#8217;t directly related to the Greenvale Township one, except to point out what a dilemma almost every technological improvement creates.</p>
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