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	<title>Comments on: Prayer group meets at City Hall</title>
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		<title>By: More belt-tightening: Northfield Police Dept. announces &#8216;Police yourself Thursdays&#8217; &#171; Locally Grown Northfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>More belt-tightening: Northfield Police Dept. announces &#8216;Police yourself Thursdays&#8217; &#171; Locally Grown Northfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ministers pointed to the impact of the ‘prayer ladies’ (see the Aug. 2007 blog post Prayer group meets at City Hall) on the improved climate at Northfield City Hall and felt that with a more comprehensive prayer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The ministers pointed to the impact of the ‘prayer ladies’ (see the Aug. 2007 blog post Prayer group meets at City Hall) on the improved climate at Northfield City Hall and felt that with a more comprehensive prayer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-7/#comment-27561</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2603/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On our podcast yesterday&lt;/a&gt;, Councilor Scott Davis discussed Judy Dirks&#039; and the council&#039;s handling of the &#039;prayer&#039; issue. It starts at the 18:45 mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2603/" rel="nofollow">On our podcast yesterday</a>, Councilor Scott Davis discussed Judy Dirks&#8217; and the council&#8217;s handling of the &#8216;prayer&#8217; issue. It starts at the 18:45 mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-7/#comment-26146</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victor, you have a blog? Where? 

Since Scott Davis just commented on the &#039;Strib reporter seeks input&#039; post, 
http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2389/#comment-26046
so I don&#039;t see why he shouldn&#039;t comment here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victor, you have a blog? Where? </p>
<p>Since Scott Davis just commented on the &#8216;Strib reporter seeks input&#8217; post,<br />
<a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2389/#comment-26046" rel="nofollow">http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2389/#comment-26046</a><br />
so I don&#8217;t see why he shouldn&#8217;t comment here.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-7/#comment-26145</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Councilor Scott Davis, don&#039;t comment here.  Can-o-worms!
  
While I&#039;d appreciate comments in response to the Charter &quot;rebuke&quot;  -  If I were on the council  I&#039;d not comment on this blog.  

Perhaps on my blog or to the Newspaper&#039;s request... but best... at the council, from the dais.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Councilor Scott Davis, don&#8217;t comment here.  Can-o-worms!</p>
<p>While I&#8217;d appreciate comments in response to the Charter &#8220;rebuke&#8221;  &#8211;  If I were on the council  I&#8217;d not comment on this blog.  </p>
<p>Perhaps on my blog or to the Newspaper&#8217;s request&#8230; but best&#8230; at the council, from the dais.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-7/#comment-26142</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Councilor Scott Davis, could you comment here?</description>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-26134</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff -

Although the Charter Commission stated quite clearly that it thought Judy was owed an apology, I sure didn&#039;t hear one...just a bunch of statements about it being an &quot;unfortunate situation&quot; or something like that...vagueness.

I&#039;m glad that Mayor Lansing sent an official letter of apology.

- Ross</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff -</p>
<p>Although the Charter Commission stated quite clearly that it thought Judy was owed an apology, I sure didn&#8217;t hear one&#8230;just a bunch of statements about it being an &#8220;unfortunate situation&#8221; or something like that&#8230;vagueness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that Mayor Lansing sent an official letter of apology.</p>
<p>- Ross</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-26127</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to today&#039;s Nfld News, Mayor Lee Lansing has sent a letter of apology to Judy Dirks: &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=21&amp;SubSectionID=44&amp;ArticleID=21248&amp;TM=29706.9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Council reflects on criticism of Dirks&lt;/a&gt;

I find it odd that neither City Administrator Al Roder nor Councilors Noah Cashman and Scott Davis made any comment at Monday&#039;s meeting about this. Do they agree they erred? Do they plan to personally apologize? If I were on the Council, I&#039;d have asked for some public discussion, ie, &quot;Scott, Noah, Al, what&#039;s your take on this?&quot; I can understand, given the state of affairs, why it didn&#039;t happen but the apparent lack of transparency on this is troubling to me.

Judy Dirks has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&amp;SubSectionID=63&amp;ArticleID=21230&amp;TM=30998.75&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;letter to the editor in today&#039;s paper&lt;/a&gt;, too:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The dozens of supportive phone calls, letters and personal comments that I have received all helped to heal the hurt I felt after being unfairly criticized by the city administrator and two councilmen after I spoke at the open microphone at the Aug. 6 City Council meeting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to today&#8217;s Nfld News, Mayor Lee Lansing has sent a letter of apology to Judy Dirks: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=21&#038;SubSectionID=44&#038;ArticleID=21248&#038;TM=29706.9" rel="nofollow">Council reflects on criticism of Dirks</a></p>
<p>I find it odd that neither City Administrator Al Roder nor Councilors Noah Cashman and Scott Davis made any comment at Monday&#8217;s meeting about this. Do they agree they erred? Do they plan to personally apologize? If I were on the Council, I&#8217;d have asked for some public discussion, ie, &#8220;Scott, Noah, Al, what&#8217;s your take on this?&#8221; I can understand, given the state of affairs, why it didn&#8217;t happen but the apparent lack of transparency on this is troubling to me.</p>
<p>Judy Dirks has a <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&#038;SubSectionID=63&#038;ArticleID=21230&#038;TM=30998.75" rel="nofollow">letter to the editor in today&#8217;s paper</a>, too:</p>
<blockquote><p>The dozens of supportive phone calls, letters and personal comments that I have received all helped to heal the hurt I felt after being unfairly criticized by the city administrator and two councilmen after I spoke at the open microphone at the Aug. 6 City Council meeting.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23684</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne is correct that these discussion threads are very repetitive, especially one this long.

But, Anne, I think one reason is that there is no response from a &quot;change agent&quot;.........i.e. when the &quot;prayer ladies&quot; are asked, in all sincerity, to comment on their goals, that request is ignored.
That response from them may have cleared some misgivings.

The lack of response to the disruption of the community process, from the council, who for three months has been saying, &quot;just wait. we can&#039;t talk about it&quot;, has also caused discomfort on the community level. And yet, more and more complicating facets keep erupting.

It is amazing to me that the council, in this small town, where most of them know many people, cannot find a way to speak humanely and within legality to their community; they are cognizant of the disruption they have caused. But they have not been able to find it within themselves,,,,,,,singularly or collectively........ to ease the problems.

Is this why &quot;don&#039;t talk about religion or politics&quot; became such a common cautionary phrase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne is correct that these discussion threads are very repetitive, especially one this long.</p>
<p>But, Anne, I think one reason is that there is no response from a &#8220;change agent&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;i.e. when the &#8220;prayer ladies&#8221; are asked, in all sincerity, to comment on their goals, that request is ignored.<br />
That response from them may have cleared some misgivings.</p>
<p>The lack of response to the disruption of the community process, from the council, who for three months has been saying, &#8220;just wait. we can&#8217;t talk about it&#8221;, has also caused discomfort on the community level. And yet, more and more complicating facets keep erupting.</p>
<p>It is amazing to me that the council, in this small town, where most of them know many people, cannot find a way to speak humanely and within legality to their community; they are cognizant of the disruption they have caused. But they have not been able to find it within themselves,,,,,,,singularly or collectively&#8230;&#8230;.. to ease the problems.</p>
<p>Is this why &#8220;don&#8217;t talk about religion or politics&#8221; became such a common cautionary phrase?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23650</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as I hit send, I realized that I was guilty of using the same mean-spirited criticism as I was condemning. Gosh, these glass houses are hard to maintain. 
I realize that the people on this site are good people who want the best for Northfield. But we also are, for many people, their only view of how residents speak to and about each other.
I am not so much angry as frustrated and disappointed that a town with so much potential and so many talents can get so twisted up in personalities and details that there is precious little focus on goals and accomplishments and moving the conversation forward. 
I read through the old threads here and see the same complaints over and over. I just wish we could present a more open and welcoming tone and focus more on how to solve problems than on whose fault they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I hit send, I realized that I was guilty of using the same mean-spirited criticism as I was condemning. Gosh, these glass houses are hard to maintain.<br />
I realize that the people on this site are good people who want the best for Northfield. But we also are, for many people, their only view of how residents speak to and about each other.<br />
I am not so much angry as frustrated and disappointed that a town with so much potential and so many talents can get so twisted up in personalities and details that there is precious little focus on goals and accomplishments and moving the conversation forward.<br />
I read through the old threads here and see the same complaints over and over. I just wish we could present a more open and welcoming tone and focus more on how to solve problems than on whose fault they are.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23649</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little explanation seems in order.  Crossed threads!  

When David Ludescher commented on the Charter Commission&#039;s action and &quot;rebuking &quot; the council... I jumped to the conclusion that both Ross and David&#039;s remarks were speaking about the yet untold part of the recent Charter Comm gathering.  What&#039;s that?  Well, while the News evidently was there to report on the controversial rebuke of Judy Dirks (Council&#039;s freedom of speech?) hence their rebuke of the Council...  It (the News) did not mention Councilor Denison&#039;s visit to the Charter the same meeting... to request separate actions from the Charter Comm.  1)  changing the Charter to exclude the Mayor from his/her role in the setting of the CC agenda.   2) protesting the four fifths requirement that temporarily derailed the Woodley project (evidently unaware that this was a statutory  requirement - thus NF&#039;s Charter has no standing)... so, my remarks, while confusing,  were really directed at Denison&#039;s action... but not intended by David&#039;s remarks to be an issue.  

What&#039;s sort of curious here is the recent rash of council and staff upheavals and missteps... as these have been addressed on LG seem to have so many crossed threads, that my confusion is perhaps not without some understanding.  My mistake - but relevance to the actions reported here is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little explanation seems in order.  Crossed threads!  </p>
<p>When David Ludescher commented on the Charter Commission&#8217;s action and &#8220;rebuking &#8221; the council&#8230; I jumped to the conclusion that both Ross and David&#8217;s remarks were speaking about the yet untold part of the recent Charter Comm gathering.  What&#8217;s that?  Well, while the News evidently was there to report on the controversial rebuke of Judy Dirks (Council&#8217;s freedom of speech?) hence their rebuke of the Council&#8230;  It (the News) did not mention Councilor Denison&#8217;s visit to the Charter the same meeting&#8230; to request separate actions from the Charter Comm.  1)  changing the Charter to exclude the Mayor from his/her role in the setting of the CC agenda.   2) protesting the four fifths requirement that temporarily derailed the Woodley project (evidently unaware that this was a statutory  requirement &#8211; thus NF&#8217;s Charter has no standing)&#8230; so, my remarks, while confusing,  were really directed at Denison&#8217;s action&#8230; but not intended by David&#8217;s remarks to be an issue.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s sort of curious here is the recent rash of council and staff upheavals and missteps&#8230; as these have been addressed on LG seem to have so many crossed threads, that my confusion is perhaps not without some understanding.  My mistake &#8211; but relevance to the actions reported here is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23647</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness, so much rebuking...Issue after issue the discussion here turns to attacks and rebukes. It&#039;s no wonder that so many local elections fail to draw enough candidates to even have a contest. Who would want to endure the constant criticism and character assassination that seems to surround those working and volunteering inside City Hall.
If Ms. Dirks and the mayor can speak as private citizens, then Mr. Denison should be able to do the same. If Mr. Dennison was speaking as a councilor and not as a private citizen and if he made a formal request for a change in the charter, then it would the proper thing to rule the request out of order and the charitable thing to do to explain to him his error and suggest the proper process. Yes, he should have sought some advice from some wise elder before he made the move. (I shall avoid the temptation to suggest he could not find one.) But no, democracy is not being toppled from its foundations because a newcomer used an innapropriate gesture to deal with an appropriate concern. 
I find it hard to believe Mr. Denison would be interested in undermining his colleagues or pressuring anyone, though I can easily believe he would be frustrated enough to explore any option for ending the current dysfunction. 
As for the charter commission action, I went back and listened to the comments at the end of the council meeting where Ms. Dirks spoke. No one questioned her right to speak as an individual. People expressed disappointment that she chose the open mike as her first step in trying to resolve a problem that was resolved as soon as it was mentioned. Again, the concern was the choice of public attack and rebuke rather than simple inquiry and comment and collaboration and conflict resolution. 
That lack of civility seems the really disturbing pattern right now, and the obstacle to dealing with the many problems on the city&#039;s plate.
It seems to me that if you want someone fired, get the grounds and have him fired. If he&#039;s an elected official, run against him, or organize his constituents to sit down and talk to him about his actions. 
It just seems a little more respect and compassion wouldn&#039;t hurt. We&#039;ve tried the attack and rebuke approach and in the words of Dr. Phil &quot;How&#039;s that working for you?&quot; 
We are not talking about brutal government death squads torturing people for speaking out against tyranny. We are talking about our friends and neighbors trying to earn a living or serve the public, discussing the order in which to put things on an agenda and which chairs in which room are appropriate for thinking kind thoughts.  
It just seems a little global perspective is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness, so much rebuking&#8230;Issue after issue the discussion here turns to attacks and rebukes. It&#8217;s no wonder that so many local elections fail to draw enough candidates to even have a contest. Who would want to endure the constant criticism and character assassination that seems to surround those working and volunteering inside City Hall.<br />
If Ms. Dirks and the mayor can speak as private citizens, then Mr. Denison should be able to do the same. If Mr. Dennison was speaking as a councilor and not as a private citizen and if he made a formal request for a change in the charter, then it would the proper thing to rule the request out of order and the charitable thing to do to explain to him his error and suggest the proper process. Yes, he should have sought some advice from some wise elder before he made the move. (I shall avoid the temptation to suggest he could not find one.) But no, democracy is not being toppled from its foundations because a newcomer used an innapropriate gesture to deal with an appropriate concern.<br />
I find it hard to believe Mr. Denison would be interested in undermining his colleagues or pressuring anyone, though I can easily believe he would be frustrated enough to explore any option for ending the current dysfunction.<br />
As for the charter commission action, I went back and listened to the comments at the end of the council meeting where Ms. Dirks spoke. No one questioned her right to speak as an individual. People expressed disappointment that she chose the open mike as her first step in trying to resolve a problem that was resolved as soon as it was mentioned. Again, the concern was the choice of public attack and rebuke rather than simple inquiry and comment and collaboration and conflict resolution.<br />
That lack of civility seems the really disturbing pattern right now, and the obstacle to dealing with the many problems on the city&#8217;s plate.<br />
It seems to me that if you want someone fired, get the grounds and have him fired. If he&#8217;s an elected official, run against him, or organize his constituents to sit down and talk to him about his actions.<br />
It just seems a little more respect and compassion wouldn&#8217;t hurt. We&#8217;ve tried the attack and rebuke approach and in the words of Dr. Phil &#8220;How&#8217;s that working for you?&#8221;<br />
We are not talking about brutal government death squads torturing people for speaking out against tyranny. We are talking about our friends and neighbors trying to earn a living or serve the public, discussing the order in which to put things on an agenda and which chairs in which room are appropriate for thinking kind thoughts.<br />
It just seems a little global perspective is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: victor summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23643</link>
		<dc:creator>victor summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David L. asks :

&quot;Are council members being rebuked for exercising their right of free speech?&quot;

The elected officials have certain privileges - and certain responsibilities.  Amendments (changes) to the Charter are initiated via precise process as spelled out in the Charter.  

While individual citizens may speak to any Board or Commission regarding any concern they might have... I doubt that you&#039;ll find precedent for individual members of the Council flexing the muscle of their seat and going directly to the Charter Comm in session, and asking for changes.

Changes to the Charter are initiated two ways as I understand... one by vote and request then of the Council... and:   2) by the Charter on their own initiative.

Undue pressure from even an uninformed Council persons such as Jon Denison is likely out of order - and in fact might be (should be?) subject to the Council&#039;s rebuke... talking about rebuking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David L. asks :</p>
<p>&#8220;Are council members being rebuked for exercising their right of free speech?&#8221;</p>
<p>The elected officials have certain privileges &#8211; and certain responsibilities.  Amendments (changes) to the Charter are initiated via precise process as spelled out in the Charter.  </p>
<p>While individual citizens may speak to any Board or Commission regarding any concern they might have&#8230; I doubt that you&#8217;ll find precedent for individual members of the Council flexing the muscle of their seat and going directly to the Charter Comm in session, and asking for changes.</p>
<p>Changes to the Charter are initiated two ways as I understand&#8230; one by vote and request then of the Council&#8230; and:   2) by the Charter on their own initiative.</p>
<p>Undue pressure from even an uninformed Council persons such as Jon Denison is likely out of order &#8211; and in fact might be (should be?) subject to the Council&#8217;s rebuke&#8230; talking about rebuking!</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23642</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are council members being rebuked for exercising their right of free speech?</description>
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		<title>By: Ross Currier</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23585</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Currier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thanks to the Charter Commission for affirming the right of Northfield citizens to express their opinions.

This relatively obscure group of citizens is performing an important role in protecting our basic freedoms as Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thanks to the Charter Commission for affirming the right of Northfield citizens to express their opinions.</p>
<p>This relatively obscure group of citizens is performing an important role in protecting our basic freedoms as Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-23578</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In today&#039;s Nfld News: &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=21&amp;SubSectionID=44&amp;ArticleID=21014&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charter Commission rebukes council for criticizing Dirks&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Criticism from city officials, directed at Northfielder Judy Dirks, isn&#039;t sitting well with members of the Charter Commission. The remarks, made after Dirks addressed the council Aug. 6 regarding prayer group meetings held in the city administrator&#039;s office, were out of line, the commission said Tuesday. In a resolution to be sent to the city council, it noted the city&#039;s charter guarantees the right to speak as a private citizen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s Nfld News: <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=21&#038;SubSectionID=44&#038;ArticleID=21014" rel="nofollow">Charter Commission rebukes council for criticizing Dirks</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Criticism from city officials, directed at Northfielder Judy Dirks, isn&#8217;t sitting well with members of the Charter Commission. The remarks, made after Dirks addressed the council Aug. 6 regarding prayer group meetings held in the city administrator&#8217;s office, were out of line, the commission said Tuesday. In a resolution to be sent to the city council, it noted the city&#8217;s charter guarantees the right to speak as a private citizen.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22320</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2296/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lurkers and strong silent types&lt;/a&gt;, here&#039;s an opportunity for you to weigh in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/2296/" rel="nofollow">Lurkers and strong silent types</a>, here&#8217;s an opportunity for you to weigh in.</p>
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		<title>By: john george</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22303</link>
		<dc:creator>john george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright- Organic corn jokes? Hmmmmm. At least you didn&#039;t call me a flake. Remember, I&#039;ve got Ethyl Knoll on my side!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright- Organic corn jokes? Hmmmmm. At least you didn&#8217;t call me a flake. Remember, I&#8217;ve got Ethyl Knoll on my side!</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22212</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff: as I said &quot; Chart  Na&quot; ............it&#039;s the only reasonable response.

Isn&#039;t this one over yet??????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff: as I said &#8221; Chart  Na&#8221; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s the only reasonable response.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this one over yet??????????</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22206</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny G-very funny. But, yes, you are right, the flower children
came back, but this time they are flour children, they grow organic corn jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny G-very funny. But, yes, you are right, the flower children<br />
came back, but this time they are flour children, they grow organic corn jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: john george</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22183</link>
		<dc:creator>john george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne- Plenty of history for me! Thanks for sharing that tidbit.

Bright- Re. &quot;a carnation&quot;. With all the &quot;retro&quot; styles in vogue right now, does this mean a reimergence of the flower children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne- Plenty of history for me! Thanks for sharing that tidbit.</p>
<p>Bright- Re. &#8220;a carnation&#8221;. With all the &#8220;retro&#8221; styles in vogue right now, does this mean a reimergence of the flower children?</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22171</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there is the govt that wants to regulate reincarnation:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/08/29/0227251.shtml

Don&#039;t they know it&#039;s re: a carnation and not re:
a car nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there is the govt that wants to regulate reincarnation:</p>
<p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/08/29/0227251.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/08/29/0227251.shtml</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they know it&#8217;s re: a carnation and not re:<br />
a car nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22167</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, looks like you and the prayer ladies are in the finest tradition of Northfield. I was listening to MPR today as two historians discussed the state&#039;s 150th birthday. When the moderator asked why so many hundreds of thousands of people came to such a cold place so long ago, (there was an astronomical increase in just a few years) one of the historians pointed to John North, saying that he and many others came here with the main goal of changing the world by the &#039;transformation of people through religion.&#039; 
No kidding. Doesn&#039;t change anything in the current discussion, so we don&#039;t need to start over, and I don&#039;t need a whole history lesson. It was 
just a very interesting comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, looks like you and the prayer ladies are in the finest tradition of Northfield. I was listening to MPR today as two historians discussed the state&#8217;s 150th birthday. When the moderator asked why so many hundreds of thousands of people came to such a cold place so long ago, (there was an astronomical increase in just a few years) one of the historians pointed to John North, saying that he and many others came here with the main goal of changing the world by the &#8216;transformation of people through religion.&#8217;<br />
No kidding. Doesn&#8217;t change anything in the current discussion, so we don&#8217;t need to start over, and I don&#8217;t need a whole history lesson. It was<br />
just a very interesting comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22135</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David L, no, I didn&#039;t have a volunteer in mind to carry your summary to open mic. But now that you mention it, I think you&#039;d be perfect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David L, no, I didn&#8217;t have a volunteer in mind to carry your summary to open mic. But now that you mention it, I think you&#8217;d be perfect!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol A. Overland</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22025</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol A. Overland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne -  I&#039;ve seen for myself, commented on, written about and sued the City (with failure and success both) regarding their violations of state law and their own ordinances, so I expect them to be unaware at times.  I&#039;ve also dealt with other administrators and have been amazed at their behavior.  Given my experience with other administrators, I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to presume he knows the laws governing cities, or how things &quot;should&quot; be handled culturally -- as I understand it, he&#039;s not from here. What&#039;s Roder&#039;s history?  What&#039;s his record in dealing with similar or similarly contentious issues?
As an aside, I saw in the STrib recently that Scott Neal, former Nfld. City Administrator, has proposed slashing Eden Prairie&#039;s housing budget.  Many in this wealthy city are very upset at his proposal and he&#039;s got a fight on his hands.  Roder&#039;s in the midst of a hornet&#039;s nest here.  What does Roder&#039;s track record say about his judgment and ability to handle conflict and stand up to intimidation and influence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne &#8211;  I&#8217;ve seen for myself, commented on, written about and sued the City (with failure and success both) regarding their violations of state law and their own ordinances, so I expect them to be unaware at times.  I&#8217;ve also dealt with other administrators and have been amazed at their behavior.  Given my experience with other administrators, I wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to presume he knows the laws governing cities, or how things &#8220;should&#8221; be handled culturally &#8212; as I understand it, he&#8217;s not from here. What&#8217;s Roder&#8217;s history?  What&#8217;s his record in dealing with similar or similarly contentious issues?<br />
As an aside, I saw in the STrib recently that Scott Neal, former Nfld. City Administrator, has proposed slashing Eden Prairie&#8217;s housing budget.  Many in this wealthy city are very upset at his proposal and he&#8217;s got a fight on his hands.  Roder&#8217;s in the midst of a hornet&#8217;s nest here.  What does Roder&#8217;s track record say about his judgment and ability to handle conflict and stand up to intimidation and influence?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/2174/comment-page-6/#comment-22022</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright, be careful about basing your conclusions only on what you read here. As Griff points out frequently, this isn&#039;t a news site, but a discussion thread. The discussions are long on opinion and speculation but short on facts. That&#039;s not bad, it&#039;s just the way it is.
For example it took nearly a month and nearly 300 posts just to get the policy stated, not that it helped much. 
I&#039;ve stated my views before, so I won&#039;t repeat them. But I&#039;ll add one practical consideration.
I just find it hard to believe a man of Mr. Roder&#039;s age would take a new job and relocate his family and so quickly launch an effort to establish a city-government-based religion, putting his career and finances and reputation at risk. It just doesn&#039;t make sense. Those may be the actions of someone so entrenched in his job and his role in the community that he takes his power for granted, not the deliberate actions of someone trying to pay bills, save for retirement, survive the politics of an election cycle and new council and deal with a list of contentious government issues. 
I can understand that he didn&#039;t look at the space use policy, but maybe that&#039;s something that should be part of orientation for new councilors, commissioners and staff. (I guess this is the reason all those annoying signs are posted around public buildings to explain what seems obvious).
When added to everything else I&#039;ve read and researched and seen myself, that reality just helps me lean toward mistake instead of malevolence. 
BTW, I&#039;m not trying to prove my point, just explaining it. Feel free to disagree. After all, opinions are like navels and noses, we all have&#039;em, but they don&#039;t all have to match for them to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright, be careful about basing your conclusions only on what you read here. As Griff points out frequently, this isn&#8217;t a news site, but a discussion thread. The discussions are long on opinion and speculation but short on facts. That&#8217;s not bad, it&#8217;s just the way it is.<br />
For example it took nearly a month and nearly 300 posts just to get the policy stated, not that it helped much.<br />
I&#8217;ve stated my views before, so I won&#8217;t repeat them. But I&#8217;ll add one practical consideration.<br />
I just find it hard to believe a man of Mr. Roder&#8217;s age would take a new job and relocate his family and so quickly launch an effort to establish a city-government-based religion, putting his career and finances and reputation at risk. It just doesn&#8217;t make sense. Those may be the actions of someone so entrenched in his job and his role in the community that he takes his power for granted, not the deliberate actions of someone trying to pay bills, save for retirement, survive the politics of an election cycle and new council and deal with a list of contentious government issues.<br />
I can understand that he didn&#8217;t look at the space use policy, but maybe that&#8217;s something that should be part of orientation for new councilors, commissioners and staff. (I guess this is the reason all those annoying signs are posted around public buildings to explain what seems obvious).<br />
When added to everything else I&#8217;ve read and researched and seen myself, that reality just helps me lean toward mistake instead of malevolence.<br />
BTW, I&#8217;m not trying to prove my point, just explaining it. Feel free to disagree. After all, opinions are like navels and noses, we all have&#8217;em, but they don&#8217;t all have to match for them to work.</p>
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