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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s paper has the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=45387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first reference&lt;/a&gt; to their Team Watchdog that I&#039;ve noticed:

&lt;blockquote&gt;People in northern Rice County (where all the county’s ODs occurred) died in 2007 of an overdose at two times the rate they did in Hennepin County and Ramsey County over the same time period. (Verification of the math used to produce this statistic comes courtesy of a statistician serving on the News’ Watchdog Team).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s paper has the <a href="http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=45387" rel="nofollow">first reference</a> to their Team Watchdog that I&#8217;ve noticed:</p>
<blockquote><p>People in northern Rice County (where all the county’s ODs occurred) died in 2007 of an overdose at two times the rate they did in Hennepin County and Ramsey County over the same time period. (Verification of the math used to produce this statistic comes courtesy of a statistician serving on the News’ Watchdog Team).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Marcea Frazier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcea Frazier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Anne.

The &quot;safety net&quot; is very easy to get around, takes about 2 minutes. I miss reading Rudolph the Red&#039;s comments, hopefully he/she will figure out how to get around the &quot;safety net&quot; soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Anne.</p>
<p>The &#8220;safety net&#8221; is very easy to get around, takes about 2 minutes. I miss reading Rudolph the Red&#8217;s comments, hopefully he/she will figure out how to get around the &#8220;safety net&#8221; soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-3/#comment-58173</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like a great solution, allowing anonymity but guaranteeing a safety net for the publisher. 
Rudolph the Red can write in peace...at least until he looks out his window and sees the car with the surveillance equipment running. Then he&#039;ll know the waterboarding worked and Sam and Jaci have cracked ;-}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like a great solution, allowing anonymity but guaranteeing a safety net for the publisher.<br />
Rudolph the Red can write in peace&#8230;at least until he looks out his window and sees the car with the surveillance equipment running. Then he&#8217;ll know the waterboarding worked and Sam and Jaci have cracked ;-}</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-3/#comment-58149</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nfld News publisher Sam Gett announced a new policy re: anonymous comments in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=157&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;column &lt;/a&gt;yesterday.
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;The new policy on northfieldnews.com still allows readers to post comments without identifying themselves. However, Web site users must first complete a short registration form that includes the submission of a valid e-mail address. This gives us the opportunity to contact posters if we have a question or problem with their comment. Users only need to register once; after that they can freely interact throughout the site.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nfld News publisher Sam Gett announced a new policy re: anonymous comments in his <a href="http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=157" rel="nofollow">column </a>yesterday.<br />
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<blockquote><p>The new policy on northfieldnews.com still allows readers to post comments without identifying themselves. However, Web site users must first complete a short registration form that includes the submission of a valid e-mail address. This gives us the opportunity to contact posters if we have a question or problem with their comment. Users only need to register once; after that they can freely interact throughout the site.
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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-3/#comment-57449</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember that old Paul Newman movie, &quot;Absence of Malice?&quot; Just food for thought as far as reporters&#039; responsibilities to the public in general when it comes to investigative reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember that old Paul Newman movie, &#8220;Absence of Malice?&#8221; Just food for thought as far as reporters&#8217; responsibilities to the public in general when it comes to investigative reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-3/#comment-57334</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the UK Guardian (Nov. &#039;07), Bill Keller, executive editor, New York Times: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/29/pressandpublishing.digitalmedia1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not dead yet: the newspaper in the days of digital anarchy&lt;/a&gt;. This was the piece referenced in the New Yorker article that &lt;a href=&quot;http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3228/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ross blogged about&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK Guardian (Nov. &#8217;07), Bill Keller, executive editor, New York Times: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/29/pressandpublishing.digitalmedia1" rel="nofollow">Not dead yet: the newspaper in the days of digital anarchy</a>. This was the piece referenced in the New Yorker article that <a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/archives/3228/" rel="nofollow">Ross blogged about</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Davis</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-3/#comment-57096</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griff, I&#039;m assuming the reason you linked your post about the white paper entitled &quot;Citizen Journalism and Newspaper Sites&quot; here is because you&#039;re wanting to continue the thread about engaging citizens in contributing to news, how that&#039;s being done here and elsewhere, and what the future might hold.  Did I miss any of the angles?

Here&#039;s an excerpt from the white paper that&#039;s specific to LoGroNo&#039;s  collaboration with the RepJ project:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
. . .the end goal is to attract enough paying readers to make the hub self-sustaining, ushering in a new business model for entrepreneurial journalists in the process. &lt;b&gt;Newspapers may stand to gain from underwriting such experiments, given the low cost of entry and the built-in safeguards protecting independence and quality journalism&lt;/b&gt;, Witt adds. (emphasis mine)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmmm.... more potential for collaboration between LoGro and the Northfield News?  Could be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff, I&#8217;m assuming the reason you linked your post about the white paper entitled &#8220;Citizen Journalism and Newspaper Sites&#8221; here is because you&#8217;re wanting to continue the thread about engaging citizens in contributing to news, how that&#8217;s being done here and elsewhere, and what the future might hold.  Did I miss any of the angles?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt from the white paper that&#8217;s specific to LoGroNo&#8217;s  collaboration with the RepJ project:</p>
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. . .the end goal is to attract enough paying readers to make the hub self-sustaining, ushering in a new business model for entrepreneurial journalists in the process. <b>Newspapers may stand to gain from underwriting such experiments, given the low cost of entry and the built-in safeguards protecting independence and quality journalism</b>, Witt adds. (emphasis mine)
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<p>Hmmm&#8230;. more potential for collaboration between LoGro and the Northfield News?  Could be!</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ in Newspaper Association of America white paper on citizen journalism and newspapers - Locally Grown</title>
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		<dc:creator>RepJ in Newspaper Association of America white paper on citizen journalism and newspapers - Locally Grown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (I&#8217;ve turned off comments on this post. Continue the discussion in the Team Watchdog comment thread.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-57078</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think LoGroNo has to look a different set of guidelines than any other
type of site because people here actually know each other and vote or
act in some way that can actually oppose and therefore undermine
one another&#039;s activity or property or whatever as well as help and assist
in many ways.

Although Jezebel has as good of guidelines as any other site might have,
I don&#039;t care much for the star system.  If you are a regular, and eventually,
when you find a good site for your tastes, you will become one, you can
star up your own favorite posters.  If the Jezebel wants to do that sort of thing in a different area so that others can choose to research, fine, but I don&#039;t like them trying to influence my decision to take certain people seriously and others not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think LoGroNo has to look a different set of guidelines than any other<br />
type of site because people here actually know each other and vote or<br />
act in some way that can actually oppose and therefore undermine<br />
one another&#8217;s activity or property or whatever as well as help and assist<br />
in many ways.</p>
<p>Although Jezebel has as good of guidelines as any other site might have,<br />
I don&#8217;t care much for the star system.  If you are a regular, and eventually,<br />
when you find a good site for your tastes, you will become one, you can<br />
star up your own favorite posters.  If the Jezebel wants to do that sort of thing in a different area so that others can choose to research, fine, but I don&#8217;t like them trying to influence my decision to take certain people seriously and others not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-57077</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#96- I call that &#039;unpaid consultants&#039;
#95-JG-doggedly after the true facts, as usual.
#98-I usually start at the middle and then I jump around until I find one that agrees with my own viewpoint.  
#97-Jezebel?  huh, alright I&#039;ll try it for kicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#96- I call that &#8216;unpaid consultants&#8217;<br />
#95-JG-doggedly after the true facts, as usual.<br />
#98-I usually start at the middle and then I jump around until I find one that agrees with my own viewpoint.<br />
#97-Jezebel?  huh, alright I&#8217;ll try it for kicks.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Cairns</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-57069</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Gett&#039;s rewording interesting.  

Thanks for the link, Anne.  Fun.  

&quot;First!&quot;  And bacon-flavored ice cream?

Hey, do you people try to read all comments before you comment?  

Do you read the comments from the top down, or from the bottom up?  Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Gett&#8217;s rewording interesting.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the link, Anne.  Fun.  </p>
<p>&#8220;First!&#8221;  And bacon-flavored ice cream?</p>
<p>Hey, do you people try to read all comments before you comment?  </p>
<p>Do you read the comments from the top down, or from the bottom up?  Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56986</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s an interesting coincidence. MnSpeak.com is having a discussion about comment guidelines, specifically about new guidelines on another site, Jezebel. So you can follow the link to MnSpeak, then follow again to Jezebel, to get some different perspectives. 
http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-5146.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s an interesting coincidence. MnSpeak.com is having a discussion about comment guidelines, specifically about new guidelines on another site, Jezebel. So you can follow the link to MnSpeak, then follow again to Jezebel, to get some different perspectives.<br />
<a href="http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-5146.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mnspeak.com/mnspeak/archive/post-5146.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-57058</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nfld News publisher Sam Gett comments about Team Watchdog in his &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&amp;SubSectionID=454&amp;ArticleID=22643&amp;TM=26751.54&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;column&lt;/a&gt; today:
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Team Watchdog (OK, maybe the name needs work) is simply an acknowledgment that our readers possess knowledge and experience that could benefit our investigative reporting efforts. People with skills in accounting, finance, education, public service or other careers are invited to help us analyze data, answer questions and uncover solutions that will ultimately benefit the entire community... Team Watchdog isn&#039;t being organized to just expose corruption, it&#039;s charged with uncovering better solutions to admittedly complex issues facing our community.
  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nfld News publisher Sam Gett comments about Team Watchdog in his <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=26&amp;SubSectionID=454&amp;ArticleID=22643&amp;TM=26751.54" rel="nofollow">column</a> today:<br />
</p>
<blockquote><p>Team Watchdog (OK, maybe the name needs work) is simply an acknowledgment that our readers possess knowledge and experience that could benefit our investigative reporting efforts. People with skills in accounting, finance, education, public service or other careers are invited to help us analyze data, answer questions and uncover solutions that will ultimately benefit the entire community&#8230; Team Watchdog isn&#8217;t being organized to just expose corruption, it&#8217;s charged with uncovering better solutions to admittedly complex issues facing our community.<br />
  
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		<title>By: John George</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56984</link>
		<dc:creator>John George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi- Just tongue in cheek, here, but your post #92 demonstrates something I&#039;ve suspected for a long time- the news media is going to the dogs. I had a watchdog, once. At least he had a lot of tics.

Concerning Rudolph the Red, that reminds me of a story I heard one time about the couple from Minnesota touring Russia. Their tour guide was named Rudolph, and by the third or fourth day, they were getting to know him pretty well. They were touring Red Square when it started to sleet. The wife exclaimed, &quot;Oh, look! It&#039;s starting to snow!&quot;
Rudolf replied, &quot;No, that is rain.&quot;
The wife replied, &quot; I&#039;m from Minnesota, and I know what snow looks like. It is snow.&quot;
&quot;No, it is rain.&quot;
&quot;Snow!&quot;
&quot;Rain!&quot;
The husband turned to his wife and said, &quot;Stop arguing! Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!&quot;

After that one, I&#039;m sure everyone is willing to go back to the thread!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi- Just tongue in cheek, here, but your post #92 demonstrates something I&#8217;ve suspected for a long time- the news media is going to the dogs. I had a watchdog, once. At least he had a lot of tics.</p>
<p>Concerning Rudolph the Red, that reminds me of a story I heard one time about the couple from Minnesota touring Russia. Their tour guide was named Rudolph, and by the third or fourth day, they were getting to know him pretty well. They were touring Red Square when it started to sleet. The wife exclaimed, &#8220;Oh, look! It&#8217;s starting to snow!&#8221;<br />
Rudolf replied, &#8220;No, that is rain.&#8221;<br />
The wife replied, &#8221; I&#8217;m from Minnesota, and I know what snow looks like. It is snow.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No, it is rain.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Snow!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Rain!&#8221;<br />
The husband turned to his wife and said, &#8220;Stop arguing! Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!&#8221;</p>
<p>After that one, I&#8217;m sure everyone is willing to go back to the thread!</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, which I may not have been when I posted last night...I am certainly NOT against &quot;watchdogs&quot;.  

But I wonder what is the practical outcome or result, and how would the process actually work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, which I may not have been when I posted last night&#8230;I am certainly NOT against &#8220;watchdogs&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But I wonder what is the practical outcome or result, and how would the process actually work?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fried</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56937</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi: All good questions!  Who&#039;s watching the watchers?  Nothing like checks and balances, with a large helping of constant vigilance.  You and Victor are good wtinesses to that.  

I think Sam&#039;s idea was to get leads, not to have so-called watchdogs do the work independent of the NNews, and not to give them access to the NNews&#039; lawyer (shared with other small-town newspapers).  Self-appointed watchdogs can already write letters to the editor, or comment here or at the NNews site (sometimes anonymously, for good or ill).  

Instead of having folks argue for or against watchdogs, I think it may be more productive (if the thread continues) to discuss how to make them work well and avoid the troubles that occur when it&#039;s abused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi: All good questions!  Who&#8217;s watching the watchers?  Nothing like checks and balances, with a large helping of constant vigilance.  You and Victor are good wtinesses to that.  </p>
<p>I think Sam&#8217;s idea was to get leads, not to have so-called watchdogs do the work independent of the NNews, and not to give them access to the NNews&#8217; lawyer (shared with other small-town newspapers).  Self-appointed watchdogs can already write letters to the editor, or comment here or at the NNews site (sometimes anonymously, for good or ill).  </p>
<p>Instead of having folks argue for or against watchdogs, I think it may be more productive (if the thread continues) to discuss how to make them work well and avoid the troubles that occur when it&#8217;s abused.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would the role of the &quot;watchdog&quot; be? 
 Why is there a need for &quot;watchdogs&quot;  when there are professional reporters?
What if the newspaper didn&#039;t CARE to follow up the &quot;watchdogs&#039; tip(S)?
What if a &quot;watchdog&quot;  &quot;watchdogged&quot; the paper?
Would a reporter be assigned to follow up on a &quot;watchdog&quot; tip, do the investigating , or just write up the concern?
Would the &quot;watchdog&quot; write a &quot;watchdog&quot; opinion?
Would the &quot;watchdog&quot; have the same protections that reporters have?
Would the &quot;watchdog&quot; have access to the legal advice of the News?
Would the &quot;watchdog&quot; be able to be involved in editorial content discussion?
Would the &quot;watchdog&quot; join the Reader Advisory Team?
What would happen when (not if) there were  diametrically opposed positions of &quot;watchdogs&quot;?

I think that&#039;s enough: I have to do my reading for my CVEC class, &quot;The Age of Enlightenment&quot;.

P.S. It&#039;s not about Northfield; it could be... but it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would the role of the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; be?<br />
 Why is there a need for &#8220;watchdogs&#8221;  when there are professional reporters?<br />
What if the newspaper didn&#8217;t CARE to follow up the &#8220;watchdogs&#8217; tip(S)?<br />
What if a &#8220;watchdog&#8221;  &#8220;watchdogged&#8221; the paper?<br />
Would a reporter be assigned to follow up on a &#8220;watchdog&#8221; tip, do the investigating , or just write up the concern?<br />
Would the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; write a &#8220;watchdog&#8221; opinion?<br />
Would the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; have the same protections that reporters have?<br />
Would the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; have access to the legal advice of the News?<br />
Would the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; be able to be involved in editorial content discussion?<br />
Would the &#8220;watchdog&#8221; join the Reader Advisory Team?<br />
What would happen when (not if) there were  diametrically opposed positions of &#8220;watchdogs&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s enough: I have to do my reading for my CVEC class, &#8220;The Age of Enlightenment&#8221;.</p>
<p>P.S. It&#8217;s not about Northfield; it could be&#8230; but it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do marvel over all this concern about my comments, but the thread topic is so much more interesting....What do you people think about the topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do marvel over all this concern about my comments, but the thread topic is so much more interesting&#8230;.What do you people think about the topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56855</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Paul and Bright! Nicely said.</description>
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		<title>By: Bright Spencer</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56853</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I can straighten this out for you all.  Where I come from and where Anne comes from not too far away from where I come from, when we say, 
&quot;I don&#039;t care.&quot; it means we don&#039;t care if you bring your friend over for dinner...it&#039;s fine...we don&#039;t have a problem with it....good bring &#039;er over.

When other people say, &quot;I don&#039;t care.&quot;  it means I don&#039;t care what you do, don&#039;t bother me with it, it&#039;s nothing to me, I want no part of it.

So what I am saying is that this is one of those, it&#039;s English, but it&#039;s local
jargon that differs from county to county or state to state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I can straighten this out for you all.  Where I come from and where Anne comes from not too far away from where I come from, when we say,<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t care.&#8221; it means we don&#8217;t care if you bring your friend over for dinner&#8230;it&#8217;s fine&#8230;we don&#8217;t have a problem with it&#8230;.good bring &#8216;er over.</p>
<p>When other people say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t care.&#8221;  it means I don&#8217;t care what you do, don&#8217;t bother me with it, it&#8217;s nothing to me, I want no part of it.</p>
<p>So what I am saying is that this is one of those, it&#8217;s English, but it&#8217;s local<br />
jargon that differs from county to county or state to state.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly: I don&#039;t meant to speak for Anne, especially since she is no longer commenting on comments about her comments, but to some extent, the way I read &quot;I don’t care what you think” was at least in part in this sense:  There are those situations where we sometimes take a stand based on our own values, and to that extent, sometimes our own choice of conscience matters more than others&#039; opinions of us.  We may not agree on anonymous discussion and where the black/white or grey are related to libel or threats, but &quot;I don&#039;t care what you think&quot; is always an option, not necessarily meant as an insult or to be uncaring.

(Hey, contact me if you still want to borrow that movie....)
(Now that&#039;s thread drift....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly: I don&#8217;t meant to speak for Anne, especially since she is no longer commenting on comments about her comments, but to some extent, the way I read &#8220;I don’t care what you think” was at least in part in this sense:  There are those situations where we sometimes take a stand based on our own values, and to that extent, sometimes our own choice of conscience matters more than others&#8217; opinions of us.  We may not agree on anonymous discussion and where the black/white or grey are related to libel or threats, but &#8220;I don&#8217;t care what you think&#8221; is always an option, not necessarily meant as an insult or to be uncaring.</p>
<p>(Hey, contact me if you still want to borrow that movie&#8230;.)<br />
(Now that&#8217;s thread drift&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Cairns</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56789</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my two cents:

So, the bad blood from the News comments has spilled over to here.  But let&#039;s remember that the two sources of information (LoGroNo and the News) are separate.  It&#039;s my feeling that LoGroNo does a better job when they don&#039;t allow anonymous posters, and it should be the the News having discussion about Rudolph.

I don&#039;t like watchdog groups.  Citizen participation is good, however, if the intent is noble and not pompous, too judgemental, or exclusive.

As for the News and LoGroNo having similar content:  Wow, that&#039;s a new one.  I see &quot;same content&quot; all over the place.  Strib runs a story that TV Channels 4 and 5 cover for lunch.   It would be fun to figure out who owns the news, but mostly no one cares about that, they just want to be connected.  The News and LoGroNo don&#039;t have the same take on stories, either, and that is what makes this site interesting.

Anne, it&#039;s not nice to write &quot;I don&#039;t care what you think.&quot;  You usually are more elegant than that... although many times it just seems like you are stirring the pot for the sake of stirring.

Kiffi and Victor-- chin up and maybe don&#039;t take the bait.

Happy Monday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my two cents:</p>
<p>So, the bad blood from the News comments has spilled over to here.  But let&#8217;s remember that the two sources of information (LoGroNo and the News) are separate.  It&#8217;s my feeling that LoGroNo does a better job when they don&#8217;t allow anonymous posters, and it should be the the News having discussion about Rudolph.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like watchdog groups.  Citizen participation is good, however, if the intent is noble and not pompous, too judgemental, or exclusive.</p>
<p>As for the News and LoGroNo having similar content:  Wow, that&#8217;s a new one.  I see &#8220;same content&#8221; all over the place.  Strib runs a story that TV Channels 4 and 5 cover for lunch.   It would be fun to figure out who owns the news, but mostly no one cares about that, they just want to be connected.  The News and LoGroNo don&#8217;t have the same take on stories, either, and that is what makes this site interesting.</p>
<p>Anne, it&#8217;s not nice to write &#8220;I don&#8217;t care what you think.&#8221;  You usually are more elegant than that&#8230; although many times it just seems like you are stirring the pot for the sake of stirring.</p>
<p>Kiffi and Victor-- chin up and maybe don&#8217;t take the bait.</p>
<p>Happy Monday!</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck&quot;...  looks like a response.
Personal rehash, or on topic? Some of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck&#8221;&#8230;  looks like a response.<br />
Personal rehash, or on topic? Some of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56782</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, as I explained in my last post, I was talking about the level of danger in all those areas as they exist in Northfield. I think there&#039;s a difference between having a thick skin and being able to put all this in some perspective. I&#039;m not a world-weary cynic; all those things happened at relatively small papers in Minnesota and Indiana. You just have to read the Star Tribune or the New York Times -- or the headlines on Yahoo -- to see there might be a bit too much drama here. To do my part in ending the drama -- and thread drift, I&#039;m going to quit responding to comments about my comments. 
This is about what ideas people have to improve things in your town. 
Please move back to the thread topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, as I explained in my last post, I was talking about the level of danger in all those areas as they exist in Northfield. I think there&#8217;s a difference between having a thick skin and being able to put all this in some perspective. I&#8217;m not a world-weary cynic; all those things happened at relatively small papers in Minnesota and Indiana. You just have to read the Star Tribune or the New York Times &#8212; or the headlines on Yahoo &#8212; to see there might be a bit too much drama here. To do my part in ending the drama &#8212; and thread drift, I&#8217;m going to quit responding to comments about my comments.<br />
This is about what ideas people have to improve things in your town.<br />
Please move back to the thread topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fried</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/3173/comment-page-2/#comment-56763</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne: Sounds like rich professional history, but while you may feel that way as a seasoned journalist, that may be (and perhaps should be) very different from the view of the average citizen.  I might like my journalists to have a hard skin, but I&#039;m not sure I want to live in a neighborhood where, as a norm, the residents all say, &quot;Threats, intimidation, competition, libel, sarcasm. It’s just paper — and keystrokes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne: Sounds like rich professional history, but while you may feel that way as a seasoned journalist, that may be (and perhaps should be) very different from the view of the average citizen.  I might like my journalists to have a hard skin, but I&#8217;m not sure I want to live in a neighborhood where, as a norm, the residents all say, &#8220;Threats, intimidation, competition, libel, sarcasm. It’s just paper — and keystrokes.&#8221;</p>
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