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	<title>Comments on: Streitz plans to build Goddard School in city</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Fried</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71655</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arlen: For one thing, it&#039;s just that time of year.  

For another thing, whether we like it or not, there&#039;s a political (and sometimes class warfare) dimension to many things.  Pretending there isn&#039;t doesn&#039;t help.  

For a third, politics was already raised when the topic of public funding was part of the discussion.  If taxpayer dollars are to be risked, that&#039;s certainly political.  

Fourth: Discussions of public schools often turn to union-bashing and the sucking sound as tax dollars get spent.  Private schools should not be immune to discussions of political or class-warfare issues.  There are certainly politics there.  It&#039;s only fair.  Better to allow free speech about it than to muzzle it.

Fifth:  The Karl Rove playbook prefers first strikes to frame or define the issues.  Better to raise the issue first and frame it as class warfare--in which the rich pit themselves against the poor--than to wait for privatization fans to make the first claims that the poor somehow invented class warfare.  It&#039;s not true.  

So as in football, you try to gain as many yards as you can, when you can.  You don&#039;t wait for the other team to drive into your end-zone.  

That said, I should include a disclaimer:  My favorite private school is St. Dominic&#039;s, which was around long before the relatively recent conservative push for school vouchers, and which would admit students even if their families were short of the tuition needed -- so none of my criticisms of private schools and class warfare apply to St. Dominic&#039;s.  

Be true to your school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arlen: For one thing, it&#8217;s just that time of year.  </p>
<p>For another thing, whether we like it or not, there&#8217;s a political (and sometimes class warfare) dimension to many things.  Pretending there isn&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t help.  </p>
<p>For a third, politics was already raised when the topic of public funding was part of the discussion.  If taxpayer dollars are to be risked, that&#8217;s certainly political.  </p>
<p>Fourth: Discussions of public schools often turn to union-bashing and the sucking sound as tax dollars get spent.  Private schools should not be immune to discussions of political or class-warfare issues.  There are certainly politics there.  It&#8217;s only fair.  Better to allow free speech about it than to muzzle it.</p>
<p>Fifth:  The Karl Rove playbook prefers first strikes to frame or define the issues.  Better to raise the issue first and frame it as class warfare--in which the rich pit themselves against the poor--than to wait for privatization fans to make the first claims that the poor somehow invented class warfare.  It&#8217;s not true.  </p>
<p>So as in football, you try to gain as many yards as you can, when you can.  You don&#8217;t wait for the other team to drive into your end-zone.  </p>
<p>That said, I should include a disclaimer:  My favorite private school is St. Dominic&#8217;s, which was around long before the relatively recent conservative push for school vouchers, and which would admit students even if their families were short of the tuition needed &#8212; so none of my criticisms of private schools and class warfare apply to St. Dominic&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Be true to your school.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlen Malecha</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71564</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlen Malecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused how a posting about the Goddard school became political (Post #30). Why is it that people try to hijack a posting in order to put forth their political agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused how a posting about the Goddard school became political (Post #30). Why is it that people try to hijack a posting in order to put forth their political agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Obremski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71550</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mr. Walinski for that important correction! I fixed the mistake in the story. I apologize for the confusion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mr. Walinski for that important correction! I fixed the mistake in the story. I apologize for the confusion!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fried</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71368</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the tuition at a Goddard school is high (as described), then it might be seen as serving a kind of need:  There are those folks who could get around in a used car or a Prius just fine, but they&#039;d like to drive a Lincoln Navigator, BMW or Mercedes SUV, etc.  

I&#039;m skeptical that pre-schoolers get that much more out of yoga than they would get from Northfield Nursery School or other fine preschool institutions in town, but with the crowd that likes to drive the Mercedes SUV, they might feel much better walking from the parking lot to the door to pick up their child.  If you&#039;re honest with yourself, you might consider that, if many people had enough disposable income, they might pay a lot to send their kids to a school with children of mostly similar financial means.  Face it:  Some folks buy new cars that depreciate in value very quickly, but it lets them feel a certain way about themselves. 

As far as the market goes, there is a strain of snobery in Northfield that would sometimes prefer for public education options to be structured in such a way to benefit the white elite:  This was long the case with the Companeros program at Bridgewater, which screened out Hispanic kids, and which allowed admissions from any neighborhood, even if you lived near Greenvale school, where the Hispanic kids from the trailer park often attend.  Ironically, the Companeros program was the way for white kids near Greenvale to get a ticket out of Greenvale, if they had assertive-consumer parents.  

Some of these parents have enough money for Goddard tuition.  Others are educated and assertive-consumer parents who would not be able to afford it.  So you weed out the families with educated Democrats who work in human services jobs, to some extent. 

A Goddard School might end up being a place for economically comfortable Republican parents to send their kids.  There&#039;s some wisdom in keeping such folks somewhat concentrated in a single area, either to keep them away from bothering the rest of the riff-raff, or to allow them to keep their illusions intact.   

In America, one of our constitutional rights is freedom of association, especially for those who can afford it.  

As at the RNC in St. Paul, the Goddard School could hire police in riot gear, with tasers and pepper spray, to keep the rest of us away, which would also employ more police and stimulate the local economy.  Maybe certain benefits would trickle-down.   

I think they should go for it.  But no public financing.  Let families of potential students invest, like in a time-share.  The money&#039;s out there.  And local investors could share in the profits.  That way, if it fails, they share the risk too, not the taxpayer.  

We don&#039;t need any more taxpayer-supported entitlements and bail-outs and such.  Enough of those have gone to the Republicans already, and the grand-children of those who can&#039;t afford Goddard will be paying for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the tuition at a Goddard school is high (as described), then it might be seen as serving a kind of need:  There are those folks who could get around in a used car or a Prius just fine, but they&#8217;d like to drive a Lincoln Navigator, BMW or Mercedes SUV, etc.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m skeptical that pre-schoolers get that much more out of yoga than they would get from Northfield Nursery School or other fine preschool institutions in town, but with the crowd that likes to drive the Mercedes SUV, they might feel much better walking from the parking lot to the door to pick up their child.  If you&#8217;re honest with yourself, you might consider that, if many people had enough disposable income, they might pay a lot to send their kids to a school with children of mostly similar financial means.  Face it:  Some folks buy new cars that depreciate in value very quickly, but it lets them feel a certain way about themselves. </p>
<p>As far as the market goes, there is a strain of snobery in Northfield that would sometimes prefer for public education options to be structured in such a way to benefit the white elite:  This was long the case with the Companeros program at Bridgewater, which screened out Hispanic kids, and which allowed admissions from any neighborhood, even if you lived near Greenvale school, where the Hispanic kids from the trailer park often attend.  Ironically, the Companeros program was the way for white kids near Greenvale to get a ticket out of Greenvale, if they had assertive-consumer parents.  </p>
<p>Some of these parents have enough money for Goddard tuition.  Others are educated and assertive-consumer parents who would not be able to afford it.  So you weed out the families with educated Democrats who work in human services jobs, to some extent. </p>
<p>A Goddard School might end up being a place for economically comfortable Republican parents to send their kids.  There&#8217;s some wisdom in keeping such folks somewhat concentrated in a single area, either to keep them away from bothering the rest of the riff-raff, or to allow them to keep their illusions intact.   </p>
<p>In America, one of our constitutional rights is freedom of association, especially for those who can afford it.  </p>
<p>As at the RNC in St. Paul, the Goddard School could hire police in riot gear, with tasers and pepper spray, to keep the rest of us away, which would also employ more police and stimulate the local economy.  Maybe certain benefits would trickle-down.   </p>
<p>I think they should go for it.  But no public financing.  Let families of potential students invest, like in a time-share.  The money&#8217;s out there.  And local investors could share in the profits.  That way, if it fails, they share the risk too, not the taxpayer.  </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need any more taxpayer-supported entitlements and bail-outs and such.  Enough of those have gone to the Republicans already, and the grand-children of those who can&#8217;t afford Goddard will be paying for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Walinski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71337</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Walinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A correction to the added lines on Ms. Obremski&#039;s article. The $75650 forgivable loan was to Perkins Transportation on Riverside Drive. The loan was forgivable based on the improvements to the existing warehouse and creation of jobs. I am very glad Perkins is in town, they are a world class business that works on transporting oversized equipment. Thanks for moving to Northfield!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A correction to the added lines on Ms. Obremski&#8217;s article. The $75650 forgivable loan was to Perkins Transportation on Riverside Drive. The loan was forgivable based on the improvements to the existing warehouse and creation of jobs. I am very glad Perkins is in town, they are a world class business that works on transporting oversized equipment. Thanks for moving to Northfield!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Obremski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-71316</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put an update at the bottom of the story that might answer a couple of the questions posed in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put an update at the bottom of the story that might answer a couple of the questions posed in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Obremski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70860</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Davis, I&#039;m going to put the information you gave in the body of my story, so people will be more clear about the discussion when they read the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Davis, I&#8217;m going to put the information you gave in the body of my story, so people will be more clear about the discussion when they read the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Obremski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70859</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for everyone&#039;s responses! I intend to make some calls and get some answers to the questions posted here. 

I&#039;ve been trying to reach Mr. Streitz to ask him for some more information, but he hasn&#039;t gotten back to me yet. Hopefully I&#039;ll track him down today.

Thanks Mr. Davis for clarifying Mr. Streitz&#039;s interest in applying for the loan. I wasn&#039;t quite clear on everything said in that conversation about it during the meeting, which is why I worded it so vaguely in the story. I had hoped for Mr. Streitz to explain. Clearly I should have called you or a member of the EDA or a staff person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for everyone&#8217;s responses! I intend to make some calls and get some answers to the questions posted here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to reach Mr. Streitz to ask him for some more information, but he hasn&#8217;t gotten back to me yet. Hopefully I&#8217;ll track him down today.</p>
<p>Thanks Mr. Davis for clarifying Mr. Streitz&#8217;s interest in applying for the loan. I wasn&#8217;t quite clear on everything said in that conversation about it during the meeting, which is why I worded it so vaguely in the story. I had hoped for Mr. Streitz to explain. Clearly I should have called you or a member of the EDA or a staff person.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Henriksen</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70839</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Henriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, do go back to the original post by Obremski. She says Streitz said he would be back to the EDA to see what the city could do to help finance his project. Glad to see you have read our responses. I expect you will be hesitant to extend financing, be it $15,000 loan or whatever.

Griff, it&#039;s a nuisance to have to fill in the required fields each time. What&#039;s up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, do go back to the original post by Obremski. She says Streitz said he would be back to the EDA to see what the city could do to help finance his project. Glad to see you have read our responses. I expect you will be hesitant to extend financing, be it $15,000 loan or whatever.</p>
<p>Griff, it&#8217;s a nuisance to have to fill in the required fields each time. What&#8217;s up?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Davis</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70837</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure where the idea that we will be subsidizing this business came from.  The meeting was purely informational, with the Mr. Streitz explaining his business to the EDA.  He also expressed an interest in using the EDA&#039;s Master Development fund loan program for 15K.  As part of our toolbox, the ability to make that loan forgivable, as we have for a number of other businesses, was brought up.  The forgivable part comes with strings attached - the recipient must meet whatever criteria the EDA deems appropriate to justify the investment (certain employment levels is one example).  Since this was an informational meeting, no specifics were discussed and no decisions on what Mr. Streitz will request or what the EDA will support.

Hope this helps clear up some of the concerns I read in the above posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure where the idea that we will be subsidizing this business came from.  The meeting was purely informational, with the Mr. Streitz explaining his business to the EDA.  He also expressed an interest in using the EDA&#8217;s Master Development fund loan program for 15K.  As part of our toolbox, the ability to make that loan forgivable, as we have for a number of other businesses, was brought up.  The forgivable part comes with strings attached -- the recipient must meet whatever criteria the EDA deems appropriate to justify the investment (certain employment levels is one example).  Since this was an informational meeting, no specifics were discussed and no decisions on what Mr. Streitz will request or what the EDA will support.</p>
<p>Hope this helps clear up some of the concerns I read in the above posts.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70824</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be interesting to discuss, is what tools the EDA has in its toolbox to promote and encourage new business.

What I am asking is, can the EDA promote and encourage new business, without handing out checks and taxbreaks?

I guess I am saying that the EDA can help everyone, but there should also be varying levels of support.

Can I have it both ways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be interesting to discuss, is what tools the EDA has in its toolbox to promote and encourage new business.</p>
<p>What I am asking is, can the EDA promote and encourage new business, without handing out checks and taxbreaks?</p>
<p>I guess I am saying that the EDA can help everyone, but there should also be varying levels of support.</p>
<p>Can I have it both ways?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Bilek</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Bilek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
this issue was studied in Austin, TX involving Whole Foods and Border Books and Music.  Take a look at the study:

http://www.bookweb.org/files/open/pdf/lamar.pdf
it&#039;s long, but pgs 3-4 give you a good snapshot.

If it involves monetary support(tax breaks etc), we the tax payers are subsidizing a chain business to some in and remove money from our community.  you could argue, we are paying them to take our money.  it is a difficult issue, one that the EDA has to handle very carefully.  They have to balance the interests of all sides to do the right thing.  I&#039;m not offering an opinion on this daycare company, just some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
this issue was studied in Austin, TX involving Whole Foods and Border Books and Music.  Take a look at the study:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bookweb.org/files/open/pdf/lamar.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookweb.org/files/open/pdf/lamar.pdf</a><br />
it&#8217;s long, but pgs 3-4 give you a good snapshot.</p>
<p>If it involves monetary support(tax breaks etc), we the tax payers are subsidizing a chain business to some in and remove money from our community.  you could argue, we are paying them to take our money.  it is a difficult issue, one that the EDA has to handle very carefully.  They have to balance the interests of all sides to do the right thing.  I&#8217;m not offering an opinion on this daycare company, just some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70806</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne,

You pose a difficult question, as you know how I personally feel about Just Food, and how I will support it forever. Bringing in a Whole Foods would have a significant impact to Just Food.

Your question is outside of the scope of my comments, as I am not in a position to judge the appropriateness of the applicant.

My comment is that the EDA should treat all applicants without bias, and my question is, who gets to determine if the applicant is appropriate. My guess is that these seven folks basically control the whole deal.

I feel that the way the question is posed... that if I answer, then someone will replace the words &quot;Whole Foods&quot; with &quot;Wal-mart&quot; and we will have a completely new argument.

I guess my response is that I would like to see the EDA continue to foster business growth in our community. My personal bias is toward small businesses and local business owners that want to grow... but again, that puts a bias against the goal of fair and equal.

I can agree that there are certain businesses that I would NOT like to see come to Northfield, however, some would argue that these businesses are wanted and needed here. 

What I will do is more research. When I am out over the next few days, I will speak to some recent new business owners (restaurants) and see what assistance the EDA gave to them. I would be curious. I am also going to ask around to see what assistance the EDA provided while Just Food was in the incubation stage of its development.

As in all things... I guess I have to remember, that not everything is fair, and not everything is equal.

Not all EDA assistance needs to be monetary...  8-) 

I think we can all agree that bringing new businesses to Northfield is a good thing, but I think I share in everyones concerns that you do not impact the existing businesses to get them here. The only way to keep it fair is to provide everyone the same benefit, and if you did not provide it to the first of its kind business in town, then you should not provide it to the new competitor of that type.  But in doing so, you limit who the EDA can help...

Tough quandary this is... time to ponder further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,</p>
<p>You pose a difficult question, as you know how I personally feel about Just Food, and how I will support it forever. Bringing in a Whole Foods would have a significant impact to Just Food.</p>
<p>Your question is outside of the scope of my comments, as I am not in a position to judge the appropriateness of the applicant.</p>
<p>My comment is that the EDA should treat all applicants without bias, and my question is, who gets to determine if the applicant is appropriate. My guess is that these seven folks basically control the whole deal.</p>
<p>I feel that the way the question is posed&#8230; that if I answer, then someone will replace the words &#8220;Whole Foods&#8221; with &#8220;Wal-mart&#8221; and we will have a completely new argument.</p>
<p>I guess my response is that I would like to see the EDA continue to foster business growth in our community. My personal bias is toward small businesses and local business owners that want to grow&#8230; but again, that puts a bias against the goal of fair and equal.</p>
<p>I can agree that there are certain businesses that I would NOT like to see come to Northfield, however, some would argue that these businesses are wanted and needed here. </p>
<p>What I will do is more research. When I am out over the next few days, I will speak to some recent new business owners (restaurants) and see what assistance the EDA gave to them. I would be curious. I am also going to ask around to see what assistance the EDA provided while Just Food was in the incubation stage of its development.</p>
<p>As in all things&#8230; I guess I have to remember, that not everything is fair, and not everything is equal.</p>
<p>Not all EDA assistance needs to be monetary&#8230;  <img src='http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think we can all agree that bringing new businesses to Northfield is a good thing, but I think I share in everyones concerns that you do not impact the existing businesses to get them here. The only way to keep it fair is to provide everyone the same benefit, and if you did not provide it to the first of its kind business in town, then you should not provide it to the new competitor of that type.  But in doing so, you limit who the EDA can help&#8230;</p>
<p>Tough quandary this is&#8230; time to ponder further.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70804</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the City of Northfield website:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
The City of Northfield Economic Development Authority (EDA), created in 1991, seeks to improve the economic condition of Northfield. Focusing on appropriate commercial and industrial development, the EDA works to establish a higher tax base and additional job opportunities for the citizens of Northfield. The EDA provides resources and tools, including loans and grants, to support this kind of development.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My question... who gets to define the word &quot;appropriate&quot; in that statement above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the City of Northfield website:</p>
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The City of Northfield Economic Development Authority (EDA), created in 1991, seeks to improve the economic condition of Northfield. Focusing on appropriate commercial and industrial development, the EDA works to establish a higher tax base and additional job opportunities for the citizens of Northfield. The EDA provides resources and tools, including loans and grants, to support this kind of development.
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<p>My question&#8230; who gets to define the word &#8220;appropriate&#8221; in that statement above?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70791</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, John, if Whole Foods wants to come in and build a new store, you&#039;d be just dandy with the city handing them a check?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, John, if Whole Foods wants to come in and build a new store, you&#8217;d be just dandy with the city handing them a check?</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70748</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed...

What the interesting item is to ponder is... What does Mr. Strietz know that we do not?

It appears that he had done the due diligence, and a market study was done. It came back being &quot;on the line&quot;, so I can see why he is looking to open at 50% capacity.

What I am trying to rationalize in my head, is a $1.9 million dollar investment to open the doors, with about 65 students at 50% capacity. 

I have to think about the numbers a bit... but the ROI and ROE to profitability has to be out there a few years. The $1.9 million is just ground and facilities... There will be additional start up costs, that will take significant time to recoup.

Also, what is the standard child to staff ratio at a similar facility?  Can a staff of 10 handle 65 children? (50%)

I will have to ponder this further, but, as a smart businessman, I am sure his plan is viable, or he wouldn&#039;t be pursuing it.

I am not judging at all. I just like doing the analysis. It is a fun diversion.

I am all for new business. If they think it is viable, I say GO FOR IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed&#8230;</p>
<p>What the interesting item is to ponder is&#8230; What does Mr. Strietz know that we do not?</p>
<p>It appears that he had done the due diligence, and a market study was done. It came back being &#8220;on the line&#8221;, so I can see why he is looking to open at 50% capacity.</p>
<p>What I am trying to rationalize in my head, is a $1.9 million dollar investment to open the doors, with about 65 students at 50% capacity. </p>
<p>I have to think about the numbers a bit&#8230; but the ROI and ROE to profitability has to be out there a few years. The $1.9 million is just ground and facilities&#8230; There will be additional start up costs, that will take significant time to recoup.</p>
<p>Also, what is the standard child to staff ratio at a similar facility?  Can a staff of 10 handle 65 children? (50%)</p>
<p>I will have to ponder this further, but, as a smart businessman, I am sure his plan is viable, or he wouldn&#8217;t be pursuing it.</p>
<p>I am not judging at all. I just like doing the analysis. It is a fun diversion.</p>
<p>I am all for new business. If they think it is viable, I say GO FOR IT!</p>
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		<title>By: nick waterman</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70744</link>
		<dc:creator>nick waterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is a daycare.  That it fills the kids days with &quot;educational&quot; material is pure marketing; go to a local &quot;daycare&quot; and you&#039;ll see: counting, abcs, social skills, hand-eye coordination, and all this other stuff.  If you&#039;re taking good care of kids, all that stuff happens without your packaging it and selling it via anxiety.  Ask any local kindergarten teacher whether there&#039;s a material difference between &quot;daycare&quot; and &quot;preschool&quot; graduates and you&#039;ll learn a lot:  no.  But there *is* a difference between kids who have either of those social learning environment experiences and kids who don&#039;t.

What on earth is the point of economic development?  Doesn&#039;t &quot;development&quot; imply some ADDED thing?  How is it a meaningful addition if it just takes away other jobs?  Yes, I&#039;m sure Streitz is a smart guy who believes he can make money on this, and have at it, Mr. Streitz.  But don&#039;t ask for my tax dollars.  Clearly, if you&#039;ve got 150,000 to throw at this franchise, you don&#039;t need my money.  And i&#039;ll give it any day to the struggling local daycare which has been EDUCATING kids for years on pennies and love.  Not for profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is a daycare.  That it fills the kids days with &#8220;educational&#8221; material is pure marketing; go to a local &#8220;daycare&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see: counting, abcs, social skills, hand-eye coordination, and all this other stuff.  If you&#8217;re taking good care of kids, all that stuff happens without your packaging it and selling it via anxiety.  Ask any local kindergarten teacher whether there&#8217;s a material difference between &#8220;daycare&#8221; and &#8220;preschool&#8221; graduates and you&#8217;ll learn a lot:  no.  But there *is* a difference between kids who have either of those social learning environment experiences and kids who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What on earth is the point of economic development?  Doesn&#8217;t &#8220;development&#8221; imply some ADDED thing?  How is it a meaningful addition if it just takes away other jobs?  Yes, I&#8217;m sure Streitz is a smart guy who believes he can make money on this, and have at it, Mr. Streitz.  But don&#8217;t ask for my tax dollars.  Clearly, if you&#8217;ve got 150,000 to throw at this franchise, you don&#8217;t need my money.  And i&#8217;ll give it any day to the struggling local daycare which has been EDUCATING kids for years on pennies and love.  Not for profit.</p>
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		<title>By: David Koenig</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70741</link>
		<dc:creator>David Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that the EDA should not, in any case, subsidize a business that competes with existing businesses. Rather, it makes the case substantially more difficult to approve.

The field should be level and the EDA should not play favorites. And, we have to acknowledge that if a new business will displace other businesses, it is less clear that the net impact will be positive. 

It is not absolutely clear that it will be neutral or negative, just less clear that it will be positive and the EDA should be able to justify un-leveling the playing field in such a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that the EDA should not, in any case, subsidize a business that competes with existing businesses. Rather, it makes the case substantially more difficult to approve.</p>
<p>The field should be level and the EDA should not play favorites. And, we have to acknowledge that if a new business will displace other businesses, it is less clear that the net impact will be positive. </p>
<p>It is not absolutely clear that it will be neutral or negative, just less clear that it will be positive and the EDA should be able to justify un-leveling the playing field in such a case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Moline</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Moline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Nick.   Why encourage a business that will drag all the other providers down.  By over saturating the market, everyone is competing for the same kids--and potentially everyone will suffer.  At the same time, I would like to think that the not-for-profits would have an edge because their rates would be lower.  They also have excellent reputations--a new for profit school would have to compete.  I don&#039;t know that the EDA should consider financial encouragement without considering the impact on other businesses AND not-for-profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Nick.   Why encourage a business that will drag all the other providers down.  By over saturating the market, everyone is competing for the same kids--and potentially everyone will suffer.  At the same time, I would like to think that the not-for-profits would have an edge because their rates would be lower.  They also have excellent reputations--a new for profit school would have to compete.  I don&#8217;t know that the EDA should consider financial encouragement without considering the impact on other businesses AND not-for-profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Arbuckle</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70737</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Arbuckle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree with Nick.  As a Board member for Open Door Nursery School (ODNS) we are extemely concerned that Northfield&#039;s long standing (and by the way EXCELLENT)  preschools are going to be wiped out by FOR-PROFIT SCHOOLS.  Director of ODNS Barb Howe has done research on the current Market and there aren&#039;t enough children to fill the current spots.  If 134 more open something will have to give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with Nick.  As a Board member for Open Door Nursery School (ODNS) we are extemely concerned that Northfield&#8217;s long standing (and by the way EXCELLENT)  preschools are going to be wiped out by FOR-PROFIT SCHOOLS.  Director of ODNS Barb Howe has done research on the current Market and there aren&#8217;t enough children to fill the current spots.  If 134 more open something will have to give.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Thomas</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70731</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, everyone is basically saying that one of the major criteria of the EDA in a new project is to enusre that in developing the economy or new business, that we do not duplicate services we already have?

This is silly. Economic Development is to encourage business growth, and it should be a level playing field.

IF a new business wants to come to town, and it needs help, the EDA should assist, regardless of what it is. The EDA should have no bias, and be there for all comers, regardless of whether or not it is another pizza place, or a for profit school.

It is important to remember that this is a for profit, tuition based school, and is a business. It will either succeed or fail. But, it brings jobs and helps the economic base. It should be given a fair shot.

To handicap the EDA by saying it can only help certain new businesses, and only ones that will not directly compete with existing businesses will limit economic growth, and limit the effectiveness of the EDA.

I see two choices for the EDA:
1. Help everyone, without bias... or
2. Close the EDA, and let everyone fend for themselves.

To do option #2, would be a disservice to the community.

Just my $0.02... and I think that Mr. Strietz is a pretty shrewd businessman. He wouldn&#039;t be doing it unless he thought it would fly.

Also, look deeper... This is NOT a daycare. 8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, everyone is basically saying that one of the major criteria of the EDA in a new project is to enusre that in developing the economy or new business, that we do not duplicate services we already have?</p>
<p>This is silly. Economic Development is to encourage business growth, and it should be a level playing field.</p>
<p>IF a new business wants to come to town, and it needs help, the EDA should assist, regardless of what it is. The EDA should have no bias, and be there for all comers, regardless of whether or not it is another pizza place, or a for profit school.</p>
<p>It is important to remember that this is a for profit, tuition based school, and is a business. It will either succeed or fail. But, it brings jobs and helps the economic base. It should be given a fair shot.</p>
<p>To handicap the EDA by saying it can only help certain new businesses, and only ones that will not directly compete with existing businesses will limit economic growth, and limit the effectiveness of the EDA.</p>
<p>I see two choices for the EDA:<br />
1. Help everyone, without bias&#8230; or<br />
2. Close the EDA, and let everyone fend for themselves.</p>
<p>To do option #2, would be a disservice to the community.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02&#8230; and I think that Mr. Strietz is a pretty shrewd businessman. He wouldn&#8217;t be doing it unless he thought it would fly.</p>
<p>Also, look deeper&#8230; This is NOT a daycare. <img src='http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Connie Menssen</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70724</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Menssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent of a 2 and 3 year-old, and a member of the Board of Directors at a preschool here in Northfield, I would like to say that I agree completely with Nick Waterman on this topic. There are 2 small, non-profit, highly affordable and highly reputable preschools in town that have been in existence since the 1940’s and the 1960’s. Both are sweet little neighborhood schools run by parents. They encourage and require community and family involvement, which is exactly what the youth in this town need. Many families live close enough to walk their kids to preschool, which is good for the environment and our children. Both of these schools are struggling with enrollment and one recently cut back teacher’s hours due to low enrollment. A franchise like Goddard could potentially drive these schools out of business.  We do not need another chain/big box corporation with a huge parking lot coming in to “educate” our preschoolers for hundreds of dollars a month. Preschoolers need love, encouragement, and support from their families, teachers, and community members.  With this, they can learn anything. 
I see this as another Mendota Homes’ fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent of a 2 and 3 year-old, and a member of the Board of Directors at a preschool here in Northfield, I would like to say that I agree completely with Nick Waterman on this topic. There are 2 small, non-profit, highly affordable and highly reputable preschools in town that have been in existence since the 1940’s and the 1960’s. Both are sweet little neighborhood schools run by parents. They encourage and require community and family involvement, which is exactly what the youth in this town need. Many families live close enough to walk their kids to preschool, which is good for the environment and our children. Both of these schools are struggling with enrollment and one recently cut back teacher’s hours due to low enrollment. A franchise like Goddard could potentially drive these schools out of business.  We do not need another chain/big box corporation with a huge parking lot coming in to “educate” our preschoolers for hundreds of dollars a month. Preschoolers need love, encouragement, and support from their families, teachers, and community members.  With this, they can learn anything.<br />
I see this as another Mendota Homes’ fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Enders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Enders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the business can cut it on its own: great, and welcome to Northfield.  But I don&#039;t see how adding an apparently redundant service warrants a city subsidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the business can cut it on its own: great, and welcome to Northfield.  But I don&#8217;t see how adding an apparently redundant service warrants a city subsidy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Henriksen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Henriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree w/Dave Koenig and Holly, EDA should not choose favorites in a competitive field. And the daycare field is already saturated, as Jim Rossow of Grandpa&#039;s Farm on Hwy 3 can tell you. There is the public school program, St. Dominic&#039;s, UCC, St. John&#039;s, the Montessoris (sp), to name a few, and the many in-home ones.

I remember when a daycare in the Ice Arena area had to close some years ago, right about the time a new one at NCRC was coming in.  People were in tears, such a sad story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w/Dave Koenig and Holly, EDA should not choose favorites in a competitive field. And the daycare field is already saturated, as Jim Rossow of Grandpa&#8217;s Farm on Hwy 3 can tell you. There is the public school program, St. Dominic&#8217;s, UCC, St. John&#8217;s, the Montessoris (sp), to name a few, and the many in-home ones.</p>
<p>I remember when a daycare in the Ice Arena area had to close some years ago, right about the time a new one at NCRC was coming in.  People were in tears, such a sad story.</p>
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		<title>By: David Koenig</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/6038/comment-page-1/#comment-70721</link>
		<dc:creator>David Koenig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just highlighting the part of the story that said 

&quot;Streitz, former mayor of Dundas, said he would plan on returning to the EDA in the future to ask what the city can do to help finance the endeavor.&quot;

Hope it didn&#039;t come across as my advocating for such financing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just highlighting the part of the story that said </p>
<p>&#8220;Streitz, former mayor of Dundas, said he would plan on returning to the EDA in the future to ask what the city can do to help finance the endeavor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope it didn&#8217;t come across as my advocating for such financing.</p>
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