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	<title>Comments on: Way Park public hearing tonight on closure of 1st Street West</title>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-76394</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David L:  You asked: &quot;Are the Friends of Way Park  going to help  pay for the change?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the Mayor said  Monday night, it is the council  that makes the decisions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The previous council voted to close the street by approving the Way Park Master Plan which showed the street closed. The current council voted 6-1 to close the street.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The previous council by approving that plan accepted the possible costs to the city of that plan, while telling the FOWP that there would as yet be no  $$ budgeted for the park development; they  (FOWP) would have to raise a lot of money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The  city&#039;s  engineering dept. wants changes to the approved plan that they feel better serve their engineering principles, and in their view, the city&#039;s needs.The bigger emergency path, the bigger culs-de-sac/parking lots, actually increase the costs, over the approved plan.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, what are the changes that you think the FOWP should pay for?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David L:  You asked: &#8220;Are the Friends of Way Park  going to help  pay for the change?&#8221;</p>
<p>As the Mayor said  Monday night, it is the council  that makes the decisions.</p>
<p>The previous council voted to close the street by approving the Way Park Master Plan which showed the street closed. The current council voted 6-1 to close the street.</p>
<p>The previous council by approving that plan accepted the possible costs to the city of that plan, while telling the FOWP that there would as yet be no  $$ budgeted for the park development; they  (FOWP) would have to raise a lot of money.</p>
<p>The  city&#8217;s  engineering dept. wants changes to the approved plan that they feel better serve their engineering principles, and in their view, the city&#8217;s needs.The bigger emergency path, the bigger culs-de-sac/parking lots, actually increase the costs, over the approved plan.</p>
<p>So, what are the changes that you think the FOWP should pay for?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So the City will pay Friends of Way Park the $5000 saved?  :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry, just can&#039;t resist rabble-rousing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the City will pay Friends of Way Park the $5000 saved?  <img src='http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sorry, just can&#8217;t resist rabble-rousing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David: Why in the world should they? The option the City Council endorsed (closing the street, with 72&#039; culs-de-sac and a 12&#039; walkway) is $5,000 cheaper than leaving the street open. See http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Thru-Street.pdf and http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Option-1.pdf for the two options.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: Why in the world should they? The option the City Council endorsed (closing the street, with 72&#8242; culs-de-sac and a 12&#8242; walkway) is $5,000 cheaper than leaving the street open. See <a href="http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Thru-Street.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Thru-Street.pdf</a> and <a href="http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Option-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ci.northfield.mn.us/assets/2/2009CCR013-First-Street-Closure-Option-1.pdf</a> for the two options.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bruce:  Are the Friends of Way Park going to help pay for this change?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce:  Are the Friends of Way Park going to help pay for this change?</p>
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		<title>By: David Sudermann</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-76370</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sudermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Commenting on last night&#039;s Council meeting, I venture to say that the outcome met, even slightly exceeded expectations: Council voted, as Bruce notes, 6-1 for street closure at the Park. I had expected 5-2. Then as Kiffi reported, Council also accepted the master-plan design for 72-foot culs-de-sac (note elitist spelling of the plural!) and sent the plan back to the Park Board to tweak the design of the emergency path so that it is not just a road by another name. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It was an important move for Council to draw the PRAB back into the discussion,since up to this point engineering staff had been relentlessly controlling what could be brought to the table for discussion and appeared to sidestep the Park Board whenever possible.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fabled 429 Process, in fact, calls for the Park Board to &quot;weigh in&quot; when park improvements are part of an assessment-driven project (Minnesota Statute 429.031, Subd. 2). Staff has managed to overlook Subd. 2, while at the same time citing 429 for other aspects of the project.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As Council formulated a motion for the PRAB to lend its expertise, City Administrator Waliniski,warily and wearily, asked for a definition of &quot;weigh in,&quot; apparently wanting to make certain that the Park Board should not be given rein to &quot;weigh in&quot; too much. Those Park Board members are an unruly bunch!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the outcome was acceptible both to PRAB and Friends of Way Park (those pushy West Side park proponents), the meeting process itself can only be called weird theater. I recommend viewing the video. The resolution for street closure left open the question of how the stump ends of the street should be bound up and who would do the binding. Council was compelled to grope for a special motion to deal with the terminations. None of us knew at the beginning of the meeting, not even councilors, that staff would try to get Council to make a choice of cul-de-sac options. Mayor Rossing did a creditable job of salvage. It was interesting watching various actors dissemble.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is much more theater to &quot;weigh in&quot; with, especially the after-the-meeting analyses in the foyer, but I feel myself sliding too far into irony. Still, I feel grateful to the councilors who saw the value of the unified park design,the park&#039;s potential, and the collaborative process of 2006-07. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenting on last night&#8217;s Council meeting, I venture to say that the outcome met, even slightly exceeded expectations: Council voted, as Bruce notes, 6-1 for street closure at the Park. I had expected 5-2. Then as Kiffi reported, Council also accepted the master-plan design for 72-foot culs-de-sac (note elitist spelling of the plural!) and sent the plan back to the Park Board to tweak the design of the emergency path so that it is not just a road by another name. </p>
<p>It was an important move for Council to draw the PRAB back into the discussion,since up to this point engineering staff had been relentlessly controlling what could be brought to the table for discussion and appeared to sidestep the Park Board whenever possible.  </p>
<p>The fabled 429 Process, in fact, calls for the Park Board to &#8220;weigh in&#8221; when park improvements are part of an assessment-driven project (Minnesota Statute 429.031, Subd. 2). Staff has managed to overlook Subd. 2, while at the same time citing 429 for other aspects of the project.</p>
<p>As Council formulated a motion for the PRAB to lend its expertise, City Administrator Waliniski,warily and wearily, asked for a definition of &#8220;weigh in,&#8221; apparently wanting to make certain that the Park Board should not be given rein to &#8220;weigh in&#8221; too much. Those Park Board members are an unruly bunch!</p>
<p>If the outcome was acceptible both to PRAB and Friends of Way Park (those pushy West Side park proponents), the meeting process itself can only be called weird theater. I recommend viewing the video. The resolution for street closure left open the question of how the stump ends of the street should be bound up and who would do the binding. Council was compelled to grope for a special motion to deal with the terminations. None of us knew at the beginning of the meeting, not even councilors, that staff would try to get Council to make a choice of cul-de-sac options. Mayor Rossing did a creditable job of salvage. It was interesting watching various actors dissemble.</p>
<p>There is much more theater to &#8220;weigh in&#8221; with, especially the after-the-meeting analyses in the foyer, but I feel myself sliding too far into irony. Still, I feel grateful to the councilors who saw the value of the unified park design,the park&#8217;s potential, and the collaborative process of 2006-07. </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Rossing</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-76368</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Rossing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To clarify, council voted to approve the 72&#039; cul de sacs and the 12&#039; walkway, with the exact design and placement of the walkway to be determined after input/design advice from the Park Board.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, council voted to approve the 72&#8242; cul de sacs and the 12&#8242; walkway, with the exact design and placement of the walkway to be determined after input/design advice from the Park Board.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a banner day, one in which I can not once but TWICE agree with David L (the other point of agreement being on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8630/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drug-sniffing dogs thread&lt;/a&gt;)!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David, you comment:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;Another good decision by the Council. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, you may not be aware of the full decision: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=47305&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Council approves closing First for Way Park.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The final design is still undecided (size/location of the cul-de-sacs; exact path of the 12-foot walkway/emergency vehicle drive, etc.), but the Council confirmed the wisdom of closing First Street by a 6-1 vote.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a banner day, one in which I can not once but TWICE agree with David L (the other point of agreement being on the <a href="http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8630/" rel="nofollow">drug-sniffing dogs thread</a>)!</p>
<p>David, you comment:</p>
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<p>Another good decision by the Council. </p>
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<p>However, you may not be aware of the full decision: <a href="http://www.northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=47305" rel="nofollow">Council approves closing First for Way Park.</a></p>
<p>The final design is still undecided (size/location of the cul-de-sacs; exact path of the 12-foot walkway/emergency vehicle drive, etc.), but the Council confirmed the wisdom of closing First Street by a 6-1 vote.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another good decision by the Council.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good decision by the Council.  </p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-76349</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Next Tuesday, february 10th, the Park Board will meet, and the council returned the issue of the treatment of the ends of the closed street (on either side of the center of the park) to the PRAB for their  design recommendations.
 There are two internationally known designers, Spencer Jones/landscape, and Nathan Knutson/architect, on that prestigious  citizen board, and the council wisely decided to NOT try to design those areas by themselves, at last night&#039;s meeting. So....the return to the Park Board for expert advice. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A motion was put forward  to adopt the Way Park Master Plan, designed by Spencer Jones, and approved by Council vote almost a year ago, but that motion was voted down, 5-2, with only Betsey Buckheit and Jon Denison voting for it&#039;s adoption, or should I say re-adoption. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mayor Rossing , who voted against the adoption of the plan, said she was uncomfortable with the Master Plan, even though it had been adopted/approved by the previous council, and cautioned that even though the design issues of the cul-de-sac areas were being sent back to the Park Board for their members professional advice,that advice was just advisory.  The Mayor then said ,&quot;we&#039;re in the driver&#039;s seat; we give direction&quot;. I assume she meant the council.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would suggest that ALL who want to support the work of the last 7 years, of Friends of Way Park, show up at the PRAB meeting on the 10th. If  &#039;they&#039; are smart, they&#039;ll schedule this meeting in the council chambers, instead of the small conference room. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next Tuesday, february 10th, the Park Board will meet, and the council returned the issue of the treatment of the ends of the closed street (on either side of the center of the park) to the PRAB for their  design recommendations.<br />
 There are two internationally known designers, Spencer Jones/landscape, and Nathan Knutson/architect, on that prestigious  citizen board, and the council wisely decided to NOT try to design those areas by themselves, at last night&#8217;s meeting. So&#8230;.the return to the Park Board for expert advice. </p>
<p>A motion was put forward  to adopt the Way Park Master Plan, designed by Spencer Jones, and approved by Council vote almost a year ago, but that motion was voted down, 5-2, with only Betsey Buckheit and Jon Denison voting for it&#8217;s adoption, or should I say re-adoption. </p>
<p>Mayor Rossing , who voted against the adoption of the plan, said she was uncomfortable with the Master Plan, even though it had been adopted/approved by the previous council, and cautioned that even though the design issues of the cul-de-sac areas were being sent back to the Park Board for their members professional advice,that advice was just advisory.  The Mayor then said ,&#8221;we&#8217;re in the driver&#8217;s seat; we give direction&#8221;. I assume she meant the council.</p>
<p>I would suggest that ALL who want to support the work of the last 7 years, of Friends of Way Park, show up at the PRAB meeting on the 10th. If  &#8216;they&#8217; are smart, they&#8217;ll schedule this meeting in the council chambers, instead of the small conference room. </p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75683</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tautology of this thread is incredibly frustrating.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tautology of this thread is incredibly frustrating&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAvid S.  I doubt that the engineering department was consulted on the closure of the street when the plan was developed.  Further, I doubt that the engineering department is raising concerns because they don&#039;t like the process.  They are concerned, as are the fire and police departments, about closing the road.

I&#039;m not so concerned about closing this road as I am about the bad precendent it sets.  How can we tell other people that they can&#039;t build a cul-de-sac or convert to a dead end street if we let this pass?  I see some compelling reasons why the road should stay open.  But, I don&#039;t see any compelling reasons why it has to close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAvid S.  I doubt that the engineering department was consulted on the closure of the street when the plan was developed.  Further, I doubt that the engineering department is raising concerns because they don&#8217;t like the process.  They are concerned, as are the fire and police departments, about closing the road.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so concerned about closing this road as I am about the bad precendent it sets.  How can we tell other people that they can&#8217;t build a cul-de-sac or convert to a dead end street if we let this pass?  I see some compelling reasons why the road should stay open.  But, I don&#8217;t see any compelling reasons why it has to close.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, the key issue, that of closing the road, should have been decided before any master plan was devised. If there was a difference between the staff position and the park supporters&#039; position, that should have been resolved long ago.  
We are left to decipher whether park supporters represent the public by standing up to bureaucracy or whether city workers represent the public by standing up to a special interest group. 
A clean decision on the street closing is needed. The council should not let this be a dispute between staff and residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the key issue, that of closing the road, should have been decided before any master plan was devised. If there was a difference between the staff position and the park supporters&#8217; position, that should have been resolved long ago.<br />
We are left to decipher whether park supporters represent the public by standing up to bureaucracy or whether city workers represent the public by standing up to a special interest group.<br />
A clean decision on the street closing is needed. The council should not let this be a dispute between staff and residents.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sudermann</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75638</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sudermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi gets it just about right when she writes,&quot;This would seem to be an instance of the engineering staff not liking the outcome of the council’s vote last spring, the vote that approved the park design which showed a closed road, and therefore bringing the design back for further consideration and possible redesign.&quot;

The engineering staff, from the first public meeting last October on First Street reconstruction, has thrown up every possible obstacle to the Council-approved master plan for the park while at the same time asserting (incorrectly) that the master plan was merely a &quot;concept plan.&quot; Staff asserts that the Council has asked them to provide several street-park options. &quot;We&#039;re only doing the Council&#039;s bidding,&quot; they insist. But at the same time they elect not to include the Way master plan as one of the options, and the options they choose to include bear scant resemblance to the master plan.

There seems on staff&#039;s part not only minimal appreciation for the earlier planning-approval process but also little concern for the social-ecology of the neigborhood,so elegantly embodied in the master plan. I regret that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi gets it just about right when she writes,&#8221;This would seem to be an instance of the engineering staff not liking the outcome of the council’s vote last spring, the vote that approved the park design which showed a closed road, and therefore bringing the design back for further consideration and possible redesign.&#8221;</p>
<p>The engineering staff, from the first public meeting last October on First Street reconstruction, has thrown up every possible obstacle to the Council-approved master plan for the park while at the same time asserting (incorrectly) that the master plan was merely a &#8220;concept plan.&#8221; Staff asserts that the Council has asked them to provide several street-park options. &#8220;We&#8217;re only doing the Council&#8217;s bidding,&#8221; they insist. But at the same time they elect not to include the Way master plan as one of the options, and the options they choose to include bear scant resemblance to the master plan.</p>
<p>There seems on staff&#8217;s part not only minimal appreciation for the earlier planning-approval process but also little concern for the social-ecology of the neigborhood,so elegantly embodied in the master plan. I regret that.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher Ennis has a letter in the 1.21 Nf news which carries this story a little further.

Considering the history of this project, and all the proper and proscribed steps  through which it progressed, this is not a time when the public can be accused of disrupting or objecting to the process at the last minute.

This would seem to be an instance of the engineering staff not liking the outcome of the council&#039;s vote last spring, the vote that approved the park design which showed a closed road, and therefor bringing the design back for further consideration and possible redesign. If that is not where the dissatisfaction arose, then where?

Citizens are so often accused of this sort of last minute disruption (Woodley street) and in that instance, the cost of last minute re- evaluations was always a consideration brought forward by the engineering staff.
Where are the costs of this  &#039;reconsideration&#039;, and even possible redesign, being evaluated now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Ennis has a letter in the 1.21 Nf news which carries this story a little further.</p>
<p>Considering the history of this project, and all the proper and proscribed steps  through which it progressed, this is not a time when the public can be accused of disrupting or objecting to the process at the last minute.</p>
<p>This would seem to be an instance of the engineering staff not liking the outcome of the council&#8217;s vote last spring, the vote that approved the park design which showed a closed road, and therefor bringing the design back for further consideration and possible redesign. If that is not where the dissatisfaction arose, then where?</p>
<p>Citizens are so often accused of this sort of last minute disruption (Woodley street) and in that instance, the cost of last minute re- evaluations was always a consideration brought forward by the engineering staff.<br />
Where are the costs of this  &#8216;reconsideration&#8217;, and even possible redesign, being evaluated now?</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75469</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:  If you are reading here, I would be interested in knowing if the NFNews responded in any way to your &#039;complaint&#039; about their reporting?

In the RepJ meeting with Leonard Witt, the responsiveness of the News to their  public was brought up by their managing Editor, Jaci Smith. She strongly stated that their success depended somewhat upon their being responsive to their callers/writers/e-mailers  and that  they tried to some extent to shape their writing to satisfy that public &#039;clamor&#039;.

This goes to Griff&#039;s wondering about old and new &#039;journalism&#039; rules, and how they affect content of reportage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:  If you are reading here, I would be interested in knowing if the NFNews responded in any way to your &#8216;complaint&#8217; about their reporting?</p>
<p>In the RepJ meeting with Leonard Witt, the responsiveness of the News to their  public was brought up by their managing Editor, Jaci Smith. She strongly stated that their success depended somewhat upon their being responsive to their callers/writers/e-mailers  and that  they tried to some extent to shape their writing to satisfy that public &#8216;clamor&#8217;.</p>
<p>This goes to Griff&#8217;s wondering about old and new &#8216;journalism&#8217; rules, and how they affect content of reportage.</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75437</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Rohn has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=47138&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;letter in the Northfield News&lt;/a&gt; this weekend, critical of its reporting:
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&lt;blockquote&gt;I was saddened to see my Way Park position completely misrepresented in the News.
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  &lt;br /&gt;...
  &lt;br /&gt;Why does the News keep talking about a controversy regarding closing the street when there isn’t one?
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  &lt;br /&gt;Last Saturday, you relied on a dated survey (done before the park plan had been created) to say that residents on the street were “evenly divided” about closing the street.
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  &lt;br /&gt;Your reporter credited the city engineer for this claim but this does not comport with more recent views documented at the council meeting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Rohn has a <a href="http://northfieldnews.com/news.php?viewStory=47138" rel="nofollow">letter in the Northfield News</a> this weekend, critical of its reporting:<br />
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<blockquote><p>I was saddened to see my Way Park position completely misrepresented in the News.</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
  <br />Why does the News keep talking about a controversy regarding closing the street when there isn’t one?</p>
<p>Last Saturday, you relied on a dated survey (done before the park plan had been created) to say that residents on the street were “evenly divided” about closing the street.</p>
<p>Your reporter credited the city engineer for this claim but this does not comport with more recent views documented at the council meeting.
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75318</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick: The cost &quot;savings&quot; proposed is illusory.  The $100,000.00 &quot;savings&quot; is what it would cost to add the cul-de-sacs, and add the requested parkland on the road.  Estimates should be based upon the additional costs of implementing the plan now. Granted, there is a savings in not building a road through, but the City also loses the benefit of not having the road.  The cul-de-sacs,if installed, are not for the benefit of the general public; they are for the benefit of the people living on that street.  

Maybe we should look at doing both.  We could install the cul-de-sacs and the existing road.  Then, if the master plan ever becomes a reality, closing the road would be simple.

The extra costs of the cul-de-sacs could be borne by the neighbors in the assessment process, or paid for by Friends of Way Park.  That would maintain the maximum flexibility, and ensure that the neighbors have some skin in the game.  It would also satisfy the police, fire, and city planners.  There would be a significant savings for neighbors if they had the cul-de-sacs installed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick: The cost &#8220;savings&#8221; proposed is illusory.  The $100,000.00 &#8220;savings&#8221; is what it would cost to add the cul-de-sacs, and add the requested parkland on the road.  Estimates should be based upon the additional costs of implementing the plan now. Granted, there is a savings in not building a road through, but the City also loses the benefit of not having the road.  The cul-de-sacs,if installed, are not for the benefit of the general public; they are for the benefit of the people living on that street.  </p>
<p>Maybe we should look at doing both.  We could install the cul-de-sacs and the existing road.  Then, if the master plan ever becomes a reality, closing the road would be simple.</p>
<p>The extra costs of the cul-de-sacs could be borne by the neighbors in the assessment process, or paid for by Friends of Way Park.  That would maintain the maximum flexibility, and ensure that the neighbors have some skin in the game.  It would also satisfy the police, fire, and city planners.  There would be a significant savings for neighbors if they had the cul-de-sacs installed now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Esse</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75301</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Esse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David L.

I&#039;m not an engineer, but someone can calculate square footage of asphalt and lineal feet of curb and gutter for each option. &quot;I&#039;m guessing&quot; that the street closing option would not cost significantly more.

Furthermore, I don&#039;t see anyone pushing for immediate completion of the Way Park master plan. 

Close the street during this window of opportunity, plant some grass, and we can work on additional ammenities as public and/or private funding becomes available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David L.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an engineer, but someone can calculate square footage of asphalt and lineal feet of curb and gutter for each option. &#8220;I&#8217;m guessing&#8221; that the street closing option would not cost significantly more.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t see anyone pushing for immediate completion of the Way Park master plan. </p>
<p>Close the street during this window of opportunity, plant some grass, and we can work on additional ammenities as public and/or private funding becomes available.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ludescher</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75283</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ludescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;savings&quot; is the cost of not having to do the street twice.  I am guessing that the cul-de-sacs cost significantly more than just replacing the street as it is.

There is no money for the park development as originally envisioned.  Closing off the street is a minor component of the actual park development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;savings&#8221; is the cost of not having to do the street twice.  I am guessing that the cul-de-sacs cost significantly more than just replacing the street as it is.</p>
<p>There is no money for the park development as originally envisioned.  Closing off the street is a minor component of the actual park development.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75270</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:  David responded before I got a chance to, and yes there is a huge savings to be realized by the street closure, as far as the infrastructure process.

The park development would certainly be, as you say, &quot;nice to have&quot;. Let me just explain to you that the only $$$ the city has yet committed to the park redevelopment is the costs of the design by Spencer Jones. There is as yet NO money committed to the redevelopment of the additional acreage, and as a matter of fact,  the existing old section of Way Park has not received the upkeep and improvement dollars that had been scheduled for it some years ago in that Master Park Plan. 

The &quot;city&quot; has made it clear to the Friends of Way Park that the initial impetus for getting the new portion of the park built will have to come from some major fundraising efforts on their part; so as yet there is not any city money committed, beyond what was paid for the design.

There has been a large degree of interest in the redevelopment of this land from supporters all over the community, not just in the immediate neighborhood; but until the vision for the park can be finalized with regard to the street issue, there cannot be significant fund raising.  Of course the economic downturn will affect this for the next few years also.

This is a pretty fiscally conservative community for the most part, I think; one which decides what it values and wishes to spend  money on, and therefore  I think the end results will be reasonable, but also of great value to the general quality of life  in Northfield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:  David responded before I got a chance to, and yes there is a huge savings to be realized by the street closure, as far as the infrastructure process.</p>
<p>The park development would certainly be, as you say, &#8220;nice to have&#8221;. Let me just explain to you that the only $$$ the city has yet committed to the park redevelopment is the costs of the design by Spencer Jones. There is as yet NO money committed to the redevelopment of the additional acreage, and as a matter of fact,  the existing old section of Way Park has not received the upkeep and improvement dollars that had been scheduled for it some years ago in that Master Park Plan. </p>
<p>The &#8220;city&#8221; has made it clear to the Friends of Way Park that the initial impetus for getting the new portion of the park built will have to come from some major fundraising efforts on their part; so as yet there is not any city money committed, beyond what was paid for the design.</p>
<p>There has been a large degree of interest in the redevelopment of this land from supporters all over the community, not just in the immediate neighborhood; but until the vision for the park can be finalized with regard to the street issue, there cannot be significant fund raising.  Of course the economic downturn will affect this for the next few years also.</p>
<p>This is a pretty fiscally conservative community for the most part, I think; one which decides what it values and wishes to spend  money on, and therefore  I think the end results will be reasonable, but also of great value to the general quality of life  in Northfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Bretts</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75258</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Bretts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness, it seems the council &#039;accepted&#039; the plan for consideration, something far different from approving the development of the park and the vacation of the street. The process has gone on, but the expectations of Way Park supporters have been raised without supporting city action. 
It seems the process would have been smoother if the mayor and council had decided the issues of vacating the street and installing cul-de-sacs before the park plan was designed. Giving the park supporters clear parameters in which to create a design would have avoided any possible conflicts. 
To allow creation of a design that might not be implemented seems an exercise in frustration and a community relations disaster.
At this point, the plan has to be reconciled with reality, which may proved tricky. I can see both sides of this, and it&#039;s unfortunate there isn&#039;t a clear right or wrong answer. The good news is that there is time to incorporate the decision into the street construction plan, either by tearing out the street or incorporating a median or other improvements.
Let&#039;s hope this can be the new council&#039;s first opportunity to build that sense of good will and community cooperation everyone has been seeking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, it seems the council &#8216;accepted&#8217; the plan for consideration, something far different from approving the development of the park and the vacation of the street. The process has gone on, but the expectations of Way Park supporters have been raised without supporting city action.<br />
It seems the process would have been smoother if the mayor and council had decided the issues of vacating the street and installing cul-de-sacs before the park plan was designed. Giving the park supporters clear parameters in which to create a design would have avoided any possible conflicts.<br />
To allow creation of a design that might not be implemented seems an exercise in frustration and a community relations disaster.<br />
At this point, the plan has to be reconciled with reality, which may proved tricky. I can see both sides of this, and it&#8217;s unfortunate there isn&#8217;t a clear right or wrong answer. The good news is that there is time to incorporate the decision into the street construction plan, either by tearing out the street or incorporating a median or other improvements.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope this can be the new council&#8217;s first opportunity to build that sense of good will and community cooperation everyone has been seeking.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sudermann</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75261</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sudermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to Peter: Bruce A.&#039;s postings above cover the question of cost, but it is worth another word or two. What we have is a street infrastructure project, the costs of which are born by the residents and the city. Folded neatly into that project is one piece of Way Park development, the street closure between the halves of the park, which does not add to the cost. In fact,it saves over $100,000 in park development costs. It is a fiscally prudent way of getting the park development going. We have a unique opportunity to take care of two birds with one good-sized piece of impervious surface! The only losers seem to be the racoons living in the storm sewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to Peter: Bruce A.&#8217;s postings above cover the question of cost, but it is worth another word or two. What we have is a street infrastructure project, the costs of which are born by the residents and the city. Folded neatly into that project is one piece of Way Park development, the street closure between the halves of the park, which does not add to the cost. In fact,it saves over $100,000 in park development costs. It is a fiscally prudent way of getting the park development going. We have a unique opportunity to take care of two birds with one good-sized piece of impervious surface! The only losers seem to be the racoons living in the storm sewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Millin</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75259</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiffi,

I am not familiar with all the details of the project. My gut feel tells me that the need to look at this again might be driven by $$$$.

If that is the case I would support to look at it again. In my mind this is a &quot;nice to have project&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiffi,</p>
<p>I am not familiar with all the details of the project. My gut feel tells me that the need to look at this again might be driven by $$$$.</p>
<p>If that is the case I would support to look at it again. In my mind this is a &#8220;nice to have project&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75253</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Way Park /1st Street closure  PROBLEM has come to be a crystal clear example of where the new council will have to decide that THEY must have policy, that they are the &#039;deciders&#039; (as hateful as pres. Bush has made that term)  and it is up to the council to  make decisions for the community they represent.

You can neither fix the problem, NOR SHIFT THE RESPONSIBILITY, by making a little committee for each and every problem, and then redoing what has been a thoroughly &#039;processed&#039;  process.

At their &#039;shared expectations&#039; retreat, the new council and the old council members decided to focus on two major areas:   public input and process. 
Well, welcome to the twofold Problem of both these areas to be focussed on, as exemplified by the  rethinking, re-inputting, reprocessing of the whole Way Park plan and the street that may or may not end up being closed.

 *****Why is this all being redone when the council passed the Way Park plan, which showed the street closed, last spring? *****

*****Why are they redoing this when they paid for designs from Spencer Jones, a Master Parks designer that we are Oh So fortunate to have living in Northfield ? *****

***** Why are they doing this against the advice and encouragement of their hired Master Parks Plan consultant who repeatedly spoke of the unprecedented opportunity of regaining parkland in a 100 year old neighborhood?*****

*****Where did the initiative to revisit this whole process originate? *****

THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE ASKED TWICE: ***** Where did the initiative to revisit this whole process originate? *****

***** Why is this new council, given their two agreed on areas of  focus, going against the very premise they endorsed in their own retreat and campaigned on? *****

 After the last two years  of complete disorder and dissent,  the fact that this project, approved through all the steps, should become a PROBLEM that had  to be revisited, is simply ludicrous!

There will be many who will jump all over me for asking these questions... go ahead...
 these questions had to be asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Way Park /1st Street closure  PROBLEM has come to be a crystal clear example of where the new council will have to decide that THEY must have policy, that they are the &#8216;deciders&#8217; (as hateful as pres. Bush has made that term)  and it is up to the council to  make decisions for the community they represent.</p>
<p>You can neither fix the problem, NOR SHIFT THE RESPONSIBILITY, by making a little committee for each and every problem, and then redoing what has been a thoroughly &#8216;processed&#8217;  process.</p>
<p>At their &#8216;shared expectations&#8217; retreat, the new council and the old council members decided to focus on two major areas:   public input and process.<br />
Well, welcome to the twofold Problem of both these areas to be focussed on, as exemplified by the  rethinking, re-inputting, reprocessing of the whole Way Park plan and the street that may or may not end up being closed.</p>
<p> *****Why is this all being redone when the council passed the Way Park plan, which showed the street closed, last spring? *****</p>
<p>*****Why are they redoing this when they paid for designs from Spencer Jones, a Master Parks designer that we are Oh So fortunate to have living in Northfield ? *****</p>
<p>***** Why are they doing this against the advice and encouragement of their hired Master Parks Plan consultant who repeatedly spoke of the unprecedented opportunity of regaining parkland in a 100 year old neighborhood?*****</p>
<p>*****Where did the initiative to revisit this whole process originate? *****</p>
<p>THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE ASKED TWICE: ***** Where did the initiative to revisit this whole process originate? *****</p>
<p>***** Why is this new council, given their two agreed on areas of  focus, going against the very premise they endorsed in their own retreat and campaigned on? *****</p>
<p> After the last two years  of complete disorder and dissent,  the fact that this project, approved through all the steps, should become a PROBLEM that had  to be revisited, is simply ludicrous!</p>
<p>There will be many who will jump all over me for asking these questions&#8230; go ahead&#8230;<br />
 these questions had to be asked.</p>
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		<title>By: kiffi summa</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/7531/comment-page-1/#comment-75045</link>
		<dc:creator>kiffi summa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion, with reference to the negative comments, is about as disappointing as a discussion could be.... there is even a lack of recognition of the street project as being needed.

The whole related projects of the First Street reconstruction and the Way Park Master Plan have been progressing in legislated steps, with public hearings ... and re: the Park, through all the processes at the Park Board, and Council.  If ever there was a project that has moved ahead slowly, publicly, these two have been that; rescued from the original speculation of 90 apartment units, built as what would pass for hi-rises in this 100 year old neighborhood, one would think most people would be  personally happy except for some small details.

The badly needed street reconstruction   (all sorts of drainage issues) has been on the engineering priority schedule for some time, already deferred at least a year or two, and now everything should just stop?

I hope the councilors who are working on the public input process are reading; a baptism by fire to say the least!

Maybe Northfield just can&#039;t be a &#039;happy&#039;, peaceful place... are we built over a Native American burial ground or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion, with reference to the negative comments, is about as disappointing as a discussion could be&#8230;. there is even a lack of recognition of the street project as being needed.</p>
<p>The whole related projects of the First Street reconstruction and the Way Park Master Plan have been progressing in legislated steps, with public hearings &#8230; and re: the Park, through all the processes at the Park Board, and Council.  If ever there was a project that has moved ahead slowly, publicly, these two have been that; rescued from the original speculation of 90 apartment units, built as what would pass for hi-rises in this 100 year old neighborhood, one would think most people would be  personally happy except for some small details.</p>
<p>The badly needed street reconstruction   (all sorts of drainage issues) has been on the engineering priority schedule for some time, already deferred at least a year or two, and now everything should just stop?</p>
<p>I hope the councilors who are working on the public input process are reading; a baptism by fire to say the least!</p>
<p>Maybe Northfield just can&#8217;t be a &#8216;happy&#8217;, peaceful place&#8230; are we built over a Native American burial ground or something?</p>
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