Comments on: Solution to Global Warming: Paint the Town White http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/ The people, issues, and events of Northfield, MN Thu, 24 May 2012 23:21:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bright Spencer http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76521 Bright Spencer Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:36 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76521 <p>John, Here is how I see it..the sun ray angle in the summer is more straight above the roofs and therefore beats down on them harshly. In the winter, the sun travels lower in the sky and that is where we can expect four hours or so of heating time through our southern windows. The sun doesn't really influence the winter roof at all, and especially when the roofs are covered with snow. That's the short version of it all. Yes, Peter, there used to be a LOT more urban pollution and panicking is never a good thing.</p> John, Here is how I see it..the sun ray angle in the summer is more straight above the roofs and therefore beats down on them harshly. In the winter, the sun travels lower in the sky and that is where we can expect four hours or so of heating time through our southern windows. The sun doesn’t really influence the winter roof at all, and especially when the roofs are covered with snow. That’s the short version of it all.
Yes, Peter, there used to be a LOT more urban pollution and panicking is never a good thing.

]]> By: john george http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76499 john george Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:38:17 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76499 <p>Peter- Thanks for the snake link. I'm not sure we have a good understanding of the historical climate fluctuations and their effects upon the environment. They are different from day to day weather changes. We are talking about long term trends over the whole globe, not local storm tracks or intensities. But the article does raise a good question- is the environment able to adapt to these long term fluctuations better than we presently think it can? Perhaps there is more to be learned from history than we presently know. In the mean time, I think I'll keep my present roof color. It is light enough to reflect some heat in the summer but dark enough to absorb some in the winter when I need it. It is called a medium value. You should know what that means, Bright.</p> Peter- Thanks for the snake link. I’m not sure we have a good understanding of the historical climate fluctuations and their effects upon the environment. They are different from day to day weather changes. We are talking about long term trends over the whole globe, not local storm tracks or intensities. But the article does raise a good question- is the environment able to adapt to these long term fluctuations better than we presently think it can? Perhaps there is more to be learned from history than we presently know. In the mean time, I think I’ll keep my present roof color. It is light enough to reflect some heat in the summer but dark enough to absorb some in the winter when I need it. It is called a medium value. You should know what that means, Bright.

]]> By: Peter Millin http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76488 Peter Millin Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:07:24 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76488 <p>Bright,</p> <p>Not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when pollution was a lot worse then it is today.</p> <p>This deosn't mean we can sit back and relax...but it also doesn't mean we have to push the panic button and make foolish decisions that will hurt us in other ways.</p> Bright,

Not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when pollution was a lot worse then it is today.

This deosn’t mean we can sit back and relax…but it also doesn’t mean we have to push the panic button and make foolish decisions that will hurt us in other ways.

]]> By: Bright Spencer http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76469 Bright Spencer Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:01:01 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76469 <p>Let's not forget that even if global warming is not an event of concern, pollution still is one.</p> Let’s not forget that even if global warming is not an event of concern, pollution still is one.

]]> By: Peter Millin http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76467 Peter Millin Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:08:36 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76467 <p>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100262412</p> <p>I heard this story on NPR this morning. It's about a giant snake found in the Amazon. On first glimpse it has nothing to do with global warming. Read carefully, because it does.</p> <p>Scientists are amazed by this find, because they never thought that the rain forest can actually become this hot????</p> <p>I find it somewhat arrogant of us humans wanting to predict the impact of global warming for the next hundred years, when we can't even predict the weather for tomorrow.</p> <p>W</p> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100262412

I heard this story on NPR this morning. It’s about a giant snake found in the Amazon. On first glimpse it has nothing to do with global warming.
Read carefully, because it does.

Scientists are amazed by this find, because they never thought that the rain forest can actually become this hot????

I find it somewhat arrogant of us humans wanting to predict the impact of global warming for the next hundred years, when we can’t even predict the weather for tomorrow.

W

]]> By: norman butler http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76466 norman butler Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:50:59 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76466 <p>Check out "Apocalypse? No!" - you can view it on U-Tube. Its about 80 minutes long and is an excellent antidote to Gore's scary movie. I also have a DVD of it (if Bruce Morlan ever gives it back!).</p> <p>Also, try "Scared To Death: From BSE to Global Warming: Why Scares are Costing Us The Earth", a book by Christopher Booker & Richard North.</p> Check out “Apocalypse? No!” -- you can view it on U-Tube. Its about 80 minutes long and is an excellent antidote to Gore’s scary movie. I also have a DVD of it (if Bruce Morlan ever gives it back!).

Also, try “Scared To Death: From BSE to Global Warming: Why Scares are Costing Us The Earth”, a book by Christopher Booker & Richard North.

]]> By: Paul Fried http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76335 Paul Fried Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:46:47 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76335 <p>The hot roof is a green, growing roof it seems -- instead of merely reflecting light as a white roof would, it does photosynthesis and helps with greenhouse gasses. </p> <p>Norman, you wrote, "there is no scientific consensus." This is actually not true: There's a great deal of consensus, but you wouldn't know it by listening to the mainstream media, which is always trying to appear "fair" by interviewing one scientist who represents the global warming skeptics who are in the minority, and one who represents the growing consensus, in the majority:</p> <p>"Journalistic Balance as Global Warming Bias Creating Controversy Where Science Finds Consensus" http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1978</p> <p>Meanwhile, as the scientists become more sure, and as most claim they don't feel pressured by other scientists to toe the scientific politically correct line, conservative propaganda claims otherwise and seems to be winning among only the GOP:</p> <p>"The Deniers are winning, but only with the GOP" http://ecoamerica.typepad.com/blog/2008/10/the-deniers-are-winning-but-only-with-the-gop.html</p> <p>As part of the propaganda, some conservative sources claim that "the same" scientists who warned of a coming ice age in the 1970's now warn of global warming... but this is a complete myth. It was a minority opinion in the '70's that an ice age was coming, and the media latched onto it for its sensationalism. There was no consensus then as there is now about global warming:</p> <p>Study debunks 'global cooling' concern of '70s Updated 2/22/2008 2:10 PM By Doyle Rice, USA TODAY http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm</p> <p>Was There Consensus for Global Cooling in the 1970s? February 28th, 2007 by Stephen http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/02/28/was-there-consensus-for-global-cooling-in-the-1970s.html</p> <p>It's not about science; it's about big money defending profits and conservative dittoheads run amok, repeating propaganda for the echo-chamber. </p> The hot roof is a green, growing roof it seems — instead of merely reflecting light as a white roof would, it does photosynthesis and helps with greenhouse gasses.

Norman, you wrote, “there is no scientific consensus.” This is actually not true: There’s a great deal of consensus, but you wouldn’t know it by listening to the mainstream media, which is always trying to appear “fair” by interviewing one scientist who represents the global warming skeptics who are in the minority, and one who represents the growing consensus, in the majority:

“Journalistic Balance as Global Warming Bias
Creating Controversy Where Science Finds Consensus”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1978

Meanwhile, as the scientists become more sure, and as most claim they don’t feel pressured by other scientists to toe the scientific politically correct line, conservative propaganda claims otherwise and seems to be winning among only the GOP:

“The Deniers are winning, but only with the GOP”
http://ecoamerica.typepad.com/blog/2008/10/the-deniers-are-winning-but-only-with-the-gop.html

As part of the propaganda, some conservative sources claim that “the same” scientists who warned of a coming ice age in the 1970′s now warn of global warming… but this is a complete myth. It was a minority opinion in the ’70′s that an ice age was coming, and the media latched onto it for its sensationalism. There was no consensus then as there is now about global warming:

Study debunks ‘global cooling’ concern of ’70s
Updated 2/22/2008 2:10 PM
By Doyle Rice, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm

Was There Consensus for Global Cooling in the 1970s?
February 28th, 2007 by Stephen
http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/02/28/was-there-consensus-for-global-cooling-in-the-1970s.html

It’s not about science; it’s about big money defending profits and conservative dittoheads run amok, repeating propaganda for the echo-chamber.

]]> By: Bright Spencer http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76312 Bright Spencer Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:49:25 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76312 <p>We actually lightened the color of our roof when we had it replaced soon after the hail storm. My roofer did confirm that the temps are a few degrees cooler, and I did do some other research and was told that world wide, it would not much matter, but when you are flying in a small plane over roads and feel the heat bumps from that, it makes you know that there would be some difference, but enough to noticeably affect anything in a short amout of time, prolly not. I did however slight sense a 'coolness' about the house this last summer, but it may have been selective thinking on my part. </p> We actually lightened the color of our roof when we had it replaced soon after the hail storm. My roofer did confirm that the temps are a few degrees cooler, and I did do some other research and was told that world wide, it would not much matter, but when you are flying in a small plane over roads and feel the heat bumps from that, it makes you know that there would be some difference, but enough to noticeably affect anything in a short amout of time, prolly not. I did however slight sense a ‘coolness’ about the house this last summer, but it may have been selective thinking on my part.

]]> By: john george http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76303 john george Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:01:11 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76303 <p>Seems it would be more fun and increase the economic base of Northfield if we painted the town red. (Oops! I'm really dating myself with that one!)</p> Seems it would be more fun and increase the economic base of Northfield if we painted the town red. (Oops! I’m really dating myself with that one!)

]]> By: norman butler http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8585/comment-page-1/#comment-76302 norman butler Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:10:21 +0000 http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/?p=8585#comment-76302 <p>Though there appears to be a high degree of political consensus regarding global warming, there is no scientific consensus; so I would hesitate before we start painting the world white.</p> Though there appears to be a high degree of political consensus regarding global warming, there is no scientific consensus; so I would hesitate before we start painting the world white.

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