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		<title>By: Bonnie Obremski</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77151</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Obremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Griff, Mr. Richardson answered the question you posed in an email to me today:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Bonnie,   At this point we are moving
  forward with the design phase of the
  Sibley project and preparing
  construction drawings and bid
  documents.  We will come back to the
  Board later this spring and ask them
  whether they wish to move forward in
  soliciting bids for construction or
  whether they wish to place the project
  on hold.  We hope that by that time we
  will know the final details of the
  stimulus plan and whether any other
  sources of funding are available. 
  This is the process we determined last
  December and we are simply moving
  forward with that plan right now. 
  Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;Chris&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griff, Mr. Richardson answered the question you posed in an email to me today:</p>
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<p>Bonnie,   At this point we are moving<br />
  forward with the design phase of the<br />
  Sibley project and preparing<br />
  construction drawings and bid<br />
  documents.  We will come back to the<br />
  Board later this spring and ask them<br />
  whether they wish to move forward in<br />
  soliciting bids for construction or<br />
  whether they wish to place the project<br />
  on hold.  We hope that by that time we<br />
  will know the final details of the<br />
  stimulus plan and whether any other<br />
  sources of funding are available.<br />
  This is the process we determined last<br />
  December and we are simply moving<br />
  forward with that plan right now.<br />
  Thanks,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Millin</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77108</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bill,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope you are right because I don&#039;t want imagine the consequences if we are wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have decided to put all our chips &quot;on red&quot; and hope it will pay off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am all for improving infrastructure, what I am opposing, is doing with money we don&#039;t have.
I have opposed this under Bush and I will oppose this under Obama.
The consequent inflation we will be getting in to, will wipe out most peoples savings. It will make the last 30% drop in 401K&#039;s look like a hick up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I hope you are right because I don&#8217;t want imagine the consequences if we are wrong.</p>
<p>We have decided to put all our chips &#8220;on red&#8221; and hope it will pay off.</p>
<p>I am all for improving infrastructure, what I am opposing, is doing with money we don&#8217;t have.<br />
I have opposed this under Bush and I will oppose this under Obama.<br />
The consequent inflation we will be getting in to, will wipe out most peoples savings. It will make the last 30% drop in 401K&#8217;s look like a hick up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ostrem</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77090</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ostrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Peter and others, Some of the spending will be on energy efficiency projects. This is like putting money in the bank: an investment up front yields a consistent return over time (possibly even a large return). It is only our shortsightedness and cultural blinders that have kept us from doing this before.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is some more language from the source I quoted above:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;· $53.6 billion in state fiscal stabilization funding: States must use 18.2 percent of their funding – or $9.7 billion – for public safety and government services. An eligible activity under this section is to provide funding to K-12 schools and institutions of higher education to make repairs, modernize and make renovations to meet green building standards. LEED’s green standards for schools include bicycle and pedestrian facilities and access to the school.&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;· $3.1 billion is provided for the
  Energy Efficiency and Block Grant
  Program. This provides formula funding
  to cities, counties and states to
  undertake a range of energy efficiency
  activities. One eligible use of
  funding is for bicycle and pedestrian
  infrastructure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter and others, Some of the spending will be on energy efficiency projects. This is like putting money in the bank: an investment up front yields a consistent return over time (possibly even a large return). It is only our shortsightedness and cultural blinders that have kept us from doing this before.</p>
<p>Here is some more language from the source I quoted above:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>· $53.6 billion in state fiscal stabilization funding: States must use 18.2 percent of their funding – or $9.7 billion – for public safety and government services. An eligible activity under this section is to provide funding to K-12 schools and institutions of higher education to make repairs, modernize and make renovations to meet green building standards. LEED’s green standards for schools include bicycle and pedestrian facilities and access to the school.</p>
<p>· $3.1 billion is provided for the<br />
  Energy Efficiency and Block Grant<br />
  Program. This provides formula funding<br />
  to cities, counties and states to<br />
  undertake a range of energy efficiency<br />
  activities. One eligible use of<br />
  funding is for bicycle and pedestrian<br />
  infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Millin</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77079</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bill,
I have posted this on another thread:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.fms.treas.gov/fr/08frusg/08guide.pdf&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am still not convinced that a majority of Americans really know how bad it is.
Most of us have a &quot;gut feel&quot; that something isn&#039;t right, but few have bothered to look at the bigger picture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It sounds like a great sound bite in promising all the things we need to be doing. However the reality of the situation is more grave then our leaders are willing to admit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think in this issue there is a need for bi-partisanship, but not between the Republicans and Democrats, more between &quot;we the people&quot; against the political leadership (or lack thereof).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The &quot;discourse&quot; of late reminds me of the Titanic. While the ship is sinking we argue about the color of the lifeboat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
I have posted this on another thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fms.treas.gov/fr/08frusg/08guide.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fms.treas.gov/fr/08frusg/08guide.pdf</a></p>
<p>I am still not convinced that a majority of Americans really know how bad it is.<br />
Most of us have a &#8220;gut feel&#8221; that something isn&#8217;t right, but few have bothered to look at the bigger picture.</p>
<p>It sounds like a great sound bite in promising all the things we need to be doing. However the reality of the situation is more grave then our leaders are willing to admit.</p>
<p>I think in this issue there is a need for bi-partisanship, but not between the Republicans and Democrats, more between &#8220;we the people&#8221; against the political leadership (or lack thereof).</p>
<p>The &#8220;discourse&#8221; of late reminds me of the Titanic. While the ship is sinking we argue about the color of the lifeboat.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Millin</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77078</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bill,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is not a matter of the sustainable or efficient transportation system. It&#039;s about money that we don&#039;t have.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is a matter of sustaining a budget that is unsustainable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Public transportation in the US will be for some years to come a very regional matter.
The dream of having a European style public transportation system is centuries away and might not be practical for the US to strive for.
The vast difference of space and the rural lifestyle in the US, are not conducive to a European style public transportation system. It&#039;s just not practical or affordable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>This is not a matter of the sustainable or efficient transportation system. It&#8217;s about money that we don&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>It is a matter of sustaining a budget that is unsustainable.</p>
<p>Public transportation in the US will be for some years to come a very regional matter.<br />
The dream of having a European style public transportation system is centuries away and might not be practical for the US to strive for.<br />
The vast difference of space and the rural lifestyle in the US, are not conducive to a European style public transportation system. It&#8217;s just not practical or affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ostrem</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77077</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ostrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bonnie, Thanks for this post. The remarks from Prof. Hemasath were particularly intersesting. I&#039;m sure there are other economists who would say things more strongly for or against the stimulus bill, which is clearly imperfect. I&#039;m more in favor of the bill than he is, from what little I know. Some of the long-term investments need to get going now, not later.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The NY Times has an article about the likely political struggles over the stimulus money: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us/politics/16stimulus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;States and Cities Angle for Stimulus Cash&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/bikeadvocacy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;language from the Bike League&lt;/a&gt; web site about the transportation funding:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;a $789 billion economic stimulus package that provides $27.5 billion to modernize roads and bridges, and includes a three percent set-aside of each state’s share of the $27.5 billion for the Transportation Enhancements program. At least half of funds must be obligated by states within 120 days, or the U.S. Secretary of Transportation can recall up to 50 percent of the un-obligated funds. Specific language for Federal Highway Administration infrastructure investment can be seen here.&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;Also included is $8.4 billion to
  increase public transportation and
  improve transit facilities; $8 billion
  for investment in high-speed rail; and
  $1.5 billion for a discretionary
  surface transportation grant program
  to be awarded competitively by the
  Secretary of Transportation. The bill
  text and joint explanatory statement
  are now available here.&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;The Federal Highway Administration
  (FHWA) and Federal Transit
  Administration have issued guidance to
  assist state and local agencies in
  preparing for implementation of the
  stimulus bill. The guidance includes
  Q&amp;As and actions that can be taken to
  expedite economic recovery projects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I couldn&#039;t disagree with Peter Millin more about the transportation funding. I see mass transit as moving us toward a more efficient and sustainable transportation future, but why don&#039;t we save that argument for another thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie, Thanks for this post. The remarks from Prof. Hemasath were particularly intersesting. I&#8217;m sure there are other economists who would say things more strongly for or against the stimulus bill, which is clearly imperfect. I&#8217;m more in favor of the bill than he is, from what little I know. Some of the long-term investments need to get going now, not later.</p>
<p>The NY Times has an article about the likely political struggles over the stimulus money: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us/politics/16stimulus.html" rel="nofollow">States and Cities Angle for Stimulus Cash</a>.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/bikeadvocacy/" rel="nofollow">language from the Bike League</a> web site about the transportation funding:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>a $789 billion economic stimulus package that provides $27.5 billion to modernize roads and bridges, and includes a three percent set-aside of each state’s share of the $27.5 billion for the Transportation Enhancements program. At least half of funds must be obligated by states within 120 days, or the U.S. Secretary of Transportation can recall up to 50 percent of the un-obligated funds. Specific language for Federal Highway Administration infrastructure investment can be seen here.</p>
<p>Also included is $8.4 billion to<br />
  increase public transportation and<br />
  improve transit facilities; $8 billion<br />
  for investment in high-speed rail; and<br />
  $1.5 billion for a discretionary<br />
  surface transportation grant program<br />
  to be awarded competitively by the<br />
  Secretary of Transportation. The bill<br />
  text and joint explanatory statement<br />
  are now available here.</p>
<p>The Federal Highway Administration<br />
  (FHWA) and Federal Transit<br />
  Administration have issued guidance to<br />
  assist state and local agencies in<br />
  preparing for implementation of the<br />
  stimulus bill. The guidance includes<br />
  Q&amp;As and actions that can be taken to<br />
  expedite economic recovery projects.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree with Peter Millin more about the transportation funding. I see mass transit as moving us toward a more efficient and sustainable transportation future, but why don&#8217;t we save that argument for another thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Millin</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77051</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Millin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately Oberstar&#039;s &quot;shovel ready&quot; projects are mostly projects to expand a miss managed public transportation system. Which already is heavily subsidized by tax dollars. The logic of expanding it even more, which just increases the size of the yearly subsidy escapes me.
This money would be better spend by local municipalities to improve local infrastructure i.e. schools, roads and safety center.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Mr. Richardson is absolutely correct
  when he says: Richardson said he is
  hoping the bill will allow the school
  district to use the money to pay for
  existing programming instead of using
  it to create more programs, especially
  since the additional funding would
  last only for two years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope Mr. Oberstar takes a philosophical note on this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However in general the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is nothing more then a pork bill with lipstick. Even with lipstick a pig is still a pig.
Don&#039;t take my word for it here is what the CBO says.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;A Congressional Budget Office study
  has estimated that only 20% of
  spending will take place in 2009 and
  only 50% through 2010, so fully half
  of the fiscal stimulus will not be
  spent until well after most economists
  think the recession will be over.
  Finally, there is a concern that much
  of the spending in the stimulus bill
  will become built into the Federal
  budget and thus raise the average
  level of the deficit well after the
  recession is over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is my sincere hope that this is not a preview of what is in store for us on the state level.
Recent trial balloons by Mr. Bly don&#039;t give me much hope.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is much easier to give away other peoples money to satisfy the populous, then it is to make the tough decisions to make us more fiscally responsible.
The latter would be a matter of real leadership.
Mr. Dahle and Mr. Bly how about it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Oberstar&#8217;s &#8220;shovel ready&#8221; projects are mostly projects to expand a miss managed public transportation system. Which already is heavily subsidized by tax dollars. The logic of expanding it even more, which just increases the size of the yearly subsidy escapes me.<br />
This money would be better spend by local municipalities to improve local infrastructure i.e. schools, roads and safety center.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Mr. Richardson is absolutely correct<br />
  when he says: Richardson said he is<br />
  hoping the bill will allow the school<br />
  district to use the money to pay for<br />
  existing programming instead of using<br />
  it to create more programs, especially<br />
  since the additional funding would<br />
  last only for two years.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I hope Mr. Oberstar takes a philosophical note on this.</p>
<p>However in general the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is nothing more then a pork bill with lipstick. Even with lipstick a pig is still a pig.<br />
Don&#8217;t take my word for it here is what the CBO says.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A Congressional Budget Office study<br />
  has estimated that only 20% of<br />
  spending will take place in 2009 and<br />
  only 50% through 2010, so fully half<br />
  of the fiscal stimulus will not be<br />
  spent until well after most economists<br />
  think the recession will be over.<br />
  Finally, there is a concern that much<br />
  of the spending in the stimulus bill<br />
  will become built into the Federal<br />
  budget and thus raise the average<br />
  level of the deficit well after the<br />
  recession is over.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It is my sincere hope that this is not a preview of what is in store for us on the state level.<br />
Recent trial balloons by Mr. Bly don&#8217;t give me much hope.</p>
<p>It is much easier to give away other peoples money to satisfy the populous, then it is to make the tough decisions to make us more fiscally responsible.<br />
The latter would be a matter of real leadership.<br />
Mr. Dahle and Mr. Bly how about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77030</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;$9 billion or $4 billion for MN?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MPR/Klobuchar: &lt;a href=&quot;http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/02/13/minn&#095;stimulus/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Minn. will get more than $4 billion from stimulus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Strib: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/39598057.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Minnesota&#039;s take: About $9.1 billion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$9 billion or $4 billion for MN?</p>
<p>MPR/Klobuchar: <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/02/13/minn&#95;stimulus/" rel="nofollow">Minn. will get more than $4 billion from stimulus</a></p>
<p>Strib: <a href="http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/39598057.html" rel="nofollow">Minnesota&#8217;s take: About $9.1 billion</a></p>
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		<title>By: Griff Wigley</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77029</link>
		<dc:creator>Griff Wigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bonnie, what is Richardson going to recommend to the School Board about the Sibley expansion?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie, what is Richardson going to recommend to the School Board about the Sibley expansion?</p>
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		<title>By: State Rep. David Bly passes on stimulus package information &#171; Bonnie Obremski, RepJ</title>
		<link>http://locallygrownnorthfield.org/post/8942/comment-page-1/#comment-77025</link>
		<dc:creator>State Rep. David Bly passes on stimulus package information &#171; Bonnie Obremski, RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comments When reporting the feature story about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 featured today on LocallyGrownNorthfield, State Rep. David Bly sent me an email with following text files about the bill, which passed into [...]</description>
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