Enforcing a ‘community expectations’ policy for downtown

Vandalism At tonight’s work session: “The City Council is being asked to discuss the adoption of a “Community Expectations” policy statement addressing cleanliness, respect, safety, and pedestrian friendliness in the downtown area.” I’ve been whining about graffiti, bikers on sidewalks, and noisy vehicles for a long time. But I’m not sure why public panhandling, swearing, spitting and urinating are included. And if the policy is adopted, what’s implied about enforcement?

Logrono co-host Ross posted to his NDDC blog about this last week. See pages 12-14 of the Council packet for more.

102 thoughts on “Enforcing a ‘community expectations’ policy for downtown”

  1. Back on topic: Does anyone know if the Council has set a date to vote on this Community Expectations thing?

  2. Stephanie,

    I was hoping to be done with this post, but once again I get dragged back in. By calling it the Key block, the implication is that the Key has something to do with the gang problem. This is offensive to say the least and I hope that this wasn’t intentional. If it was, I would love to have a conversation with you about what the Key is and what it is about.

  3. While I’m not a Northfield Business owner, as President of the Northfield Union of Youth I’ve had to deal with kids who have been disrespectful before, and while it’s not perfect, you want to know what I’ve found to be the best way to deal with these problems? Talking to the kids that cause them. And I mean really talking to them, about how we feel and then really LISTENING to them. And maybe its easier for these kids to listen to us because we are their peers, and call me naïve, but I have a feeling that if the Police and Adults in the community gave the time to show that they care about the youth (a.k.a no more talk with no action) then the youth causing problems would have an easier time respecting the rules that are already in place. I’m not trying to pin this as a “it’s your fault adults” problem, because there have been some great adults in the town who have spent a lot of their time helping us out and for that we are very thankful. But it’s a two way street, if you expect youth to listen to you and respect you, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the same back. As President of the Key I’ve witnessed and participated in many attempts to make a strong connection between youth and adults, and I say attempts because they never get very far. Its very disheartening to myself and the youth in the community to see things like the Skate Park, which we have worked so hard for and would solve the problem of downtown skateboarding, being put off yet again and all it shows to the kids is that for all their talk, the city really doesn’t care about youth unless they fit into their box and look good downtown. I’m trying to be as polite and respectful as I can because I understand that people don’t want to worry about vandalism and the such, but frankly, these “expectations” with its hidden police enforcements have gotten me and the majority of the youth pretty angry and upset (and I don’t just mean the Key youth). So you can expect us to join Josh in the square if this goes anywhere.

  4. Unless the “youth” is voting age there is very little they can do.
    They need a political voice to make city council listen. Too many influential groups have the council ears and none of them is youth oriented.

    Some of the project that get hearings are questionable at best i.e. the “new pedestrian bridge”. Seems to me that the “green lobby” has had a another succes. I really question how many people actually benefit from this??

    Do we really need to put common courtessy and good behavior in another useless law??
    I am pretty sure their are already laws on the books dealing with the issues raised.
    Seems to me like a waste of time and just another “feel good iniative” with symbolism dominating substance.
    How are we going to enforce these new standards? With a new community police? Hardly. So what’s the pint here?
    We don’t want the kids to have a skatepark, but yet we complain about them riding on the sidewalks?? BTW which in itself is not a big deal IMHO.

  5. As a key board member/staffer, I find this “community expectations” law to be absurd. The idea of taking away our right to say what we want (which is the first amendment might I remind you), and our right to be in public areas is a joke.

    Shouldn’t there be more important things in this town for our police to enforce? Like my fellow board member Ruth Amerman said, if the police want to get the youth to respect them, they need to respect the youth, and actually talk to us, not just tell us were doing something wrong.

    A perfect example of just today when am staffing at key, I hear of a policeman trying to enforce these “community expectations” when they haven’t even been passed by city council yet. When the youth wouldn’t move from the spot in which they were residing, My friend/fellow key staffer went to talk to him, asking his reasoning for this. His response was that there were youth that sprayed graffiti, threw rocks, swore and block pedestrian traffic, BUT not these youth however, youth from earlier in day. How is it that we can slap one label, on the youth of the entire town. Accusing any youth hanging out in the downtown area of these things is an arrogant and irresponsible use of power.

    The thing that saddens me the most is while there are real problems that are going on this world, our police force has to focus their attention on this loitering, spitting, and swearing. This is being treated as a gang issue, while really its just a part of youth culture.

  6. Dan,
    Just think how much fun will be allowed under the Community Expectations.

    Some communities have to deal with problems like “driving while black” or “flying while Muslim.”

    Some Northfielders may now look forward to being cited for “underage sitting.”

  7. Ruth- You know where I come from, so I don’t have to tell you. The concept of respect is both objective and subjective. Parents and adults have earned a place of respect in their lives. Young people are not parents, yet, and therefore need to recognize the respect a “position” has. Young people deserve respect simply because they are people, but this is not the same respect as parents have earned. There are certainly a number of adults who don’t seem to understand this simple truth, and would prefer to keep young people in the “baby” stage (I call it that for lack of a better term), because babies are dependent on them and more easily managed. Some parents are really threatened in their position as they see their “babies” grow up and become adults. Those parents who are successful in maintaining the communication are able to adapt to this change and encourage the growth. Just because a parent is struggling with this change or is failing in adapting does not give young people the “right” to show disrespect to their position. Understanding goes a long way in smoothing out relationships, and I mean this is a two-way street.

    Peter- As far a youth not being able to accomplish anything because they do not vote is a cop-out on our part. When there is a legitimate need and we do not respond, then that opens up occasion for offense. We adults have a responsibility to listen and advocate where there is need to do so, especially in civic issues that require voting status.

    Dan Z.- I would remind you that your “…right to say what we want (which is the first amendment might I remind you), and our right to be in public areas…” carries with it responsibilities. When your behavior violates laws, then you will be held responsible for the consequences no matter what your age. This is the reason this country has lasted as long as it has- it is a republic, based upon laws rather than the whims of a dictator. Part of maturing is recognizing that there is a comunity good that superceeds and sometimes requires us to lay down our “rights”. Maturity is being able to do that. Those who refuse to adapt to community standards bring a disentigration to that community rather than a strengthening. It is your choice how you want to affect the community. In your example of the policeman slapping a label on some youth, tell me what you are doing to see that these types of youth are experiencing peer pressure to change? Do you turn your eyes the other way when you see youth acting disrespectful or do you point this out and bring some pressure to change their disrespectfull behavior? Do you see this behavior as just their “right” and therefore something for everyone to “tolerate”? Your organization has a perfect place to affect positive social change. How are you exercising that position?

  8. Griff- It would be interesting to know the age groups involved in these citations. Since some of them are associated with alcohol, and there is no specific reference to underage drinking, I would assume the age group is 21+. If this is actually the case, it would appear the offenders would not ba a part of the Key, per se. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any programs in town to actually address this age group. Of course, there is the assumption that when young people reach adulthood, they will have the maturity to act like adults. Perhaps being taught expectations and standards of respect when they are younger would accomplish that.

  9. Those who refuse to adapt to community standards bring a disentigration to that community

    John George, that is the most false concept that I have ever seen posted on Locally Grown. Our country, at its deepest core, is based on the ideas of people who:

    refused to adapt to community standards

    1. David- Hmmm. Did you just contradict yourself? If you are refering to the original uprising of the colonists against taxation without representation, then I think you will have to agree that this rebellion brought about the disentigration of the rule of the King of England at that time. When there is refusal to continue with the status quo, there will definitely be change in a community, either for better or worse. Otherwise, I’m really not sure about what you are attacking me.

  10. John George- I invite you to come down to the Key for one of our board meetings, then you’ll see just how hard we’ve all worked to make that “positive social change” happen, not to mention what we have already accomplished. Change isn’t an event, it’s a process and it sounds like many people would rather hand out tickets then really work on it, something the Key has been doing even though our efforts have been largely ignored or put down by the a few members of the community. And as far as earning respect, I strongly believe that the majority of youth hanging out down at the Key have worked hard enough for the betterment of others to earn the right to be listened to and not have a label slapped on them because a few choose to act out. In a previous comment you talk about changing kids from the inside out, and that’s exactly what the Key is doing. Many of my friends down at the Key used to be the trouble makers hang out by the Riverwalk, and as they’ve gotten more involved there has been a complete turn about. Many people don’t understand what the Key is, or they don’t like that we aren’t getting the quick results they want, but our door is always open for questions and I hope they take the opportunity to come down and check us out before deciding what we are or aren’t doing right.

  11. From Griff’s link:

    On April 30, the following were issued:
    • Four warnings for disorderly conduct (public urination) — downtown
    • Three warnings for drinking alcohol on a city street — 500 block of Washington Street
    • Three warnings for drinking alcohol on a city street — River Park Mall area
    • One warning to a bar for permitting patrons to walk out with open containers — River Park Mall area

    On May 7, investigators again took to the streets, issuing the following:
    • Three citations for disorderly conduct (public urination) — Water Street area
    • One person cited for disorderly conduct (public urination) — downtown
    • Three warnings for loud talking/arguing — 500 block of Division

    Taylor said Friday in a press release that Northfield Police will continue to be proactive in dealing with issues that are occurring in the downtown area, as well as other parts of the community.

    Good for them. All the citations given were for violations of existing laws. The only report that is any kind of a judgment call would be the “warnings for loud talking/arguing,” and only warnings were given. Heck, it would’ve been reasonable to give citations on April 30 for public urination, as well.

    None of these police efforts at enforcement of existing laws required a Community Expectations declaration.

  12. All these occurrences appear related to bar closing and/or alcohol consumption. I would think a more specific policy about alcohol establishment expectations or alcohol consumption expectations would have more effect by being more specific to the problem.

  13. Also agreed… no pun intended, but no one is well ‘served’ by the bars continuing to serve people who are already past the limit.
    That’s an ‘expectation’ that both the community and law enforcement can expect to be complied with.

  14. Why don’t the bars hire their own off duty policemen to patrol the areas around their establishments? Why should we have to pay for the problems they create?

    At the end of the day, when “Monkey See” and “Present Perfect” close up shop, their patrons don’t spill into the streets, necessitating police calls. I’ve owned a business in Northfield for 15 years and the police have never been called to my place. My customers urinate indoors, in toilets. (imagine that!) Some bars require attention almost every night, sometimes with multiple police officers. Why should the property taxes of the owners of the non offending businesses, and the residents of Northfield subsidize the profits of the bars who use a disproportionate amount of police resources?

  15. Ruth- Thanks for the invitation. I would be delighted for the privelege to come visit. Let me know when you are having a meeting that it would be appropriate for me to attend. I will bring cookies.

    You are spot on about change being a process. I’m not sure any of us “arrive”. In fact, I believe that anyone who says he has arrived is deceiving himself and shutting the door to learning. Once we decide we have nothing more to learn, I believe we stop living. From that point, we just continue to exist. Keep up the good work down there. You are accomplishing more than you might realize at this time.

  16. John, I was thinking more about characters like Voltaire or Rosa Parks who stood up (at great personal risk) against established church and doctrinaire moral codes administered by a moral elite. These actions far from bringing about a disintegration to their communities have brought about a zenith to their communities.

    Civic moral codes are far more dangerous than individuals who refuse to adapt. Historically these codes are even more dangerous than murderers. Why we may as a community, for practical purposes, give in to proscribing certain human activities like murder, we should not proscribe language or wardrobe by group determination of what is profane or indecent. Remember, it could be the customs of your particular church that someday don’t meet the community standard.

  17. David H.- The subject I thought we were discussing here was the obnoxious behavior of a minority of the population, specifically public urination and alcohol consumption. I specifically responded to Dan Z’s. comment about loitering, spitting and swearing. I do not see the equation of these types of behavior with Rosa Parks’ actions, and how they contribute to a “zenith” in the community.

    As far as my church not fitting into society, I am fearful that this reality is closer than we think. Professing to follow Jesus and embracing the Bible as revealed truth has not cost us anything in the US. It has cost people their lives in other countries, right now, today, not in some time past. I do not look forward to the day, but I know it is coming. Revelation 17:6 says that Babylon was drunk with the blood of the saints, and the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

  18. John George: I understand what you are saying about behaviors being wrong when they violate laws, but in this case these kids weren’t violating laws. They were sitting and talking in a public area, and that should not have any negative consequences to the community. As far as speech goes, as long as it doesn’t involve hate speech of any kind, saying a swear word isn’t really anyone else’s business, even if you don’t like it, ticketing someone for that would go against one of our largest rights as American. If the city can start ticketing people for what they say, what says they can’t start ticketing us for voicing our opinions? I’m sure everyone on this message board would be pretty upset about that.

    As a board member, I see first hand the key board working harder to change disrespectful behavior. We are cracking down on youth using hate speech and smoking down by the boardwalk, and we are starting to kick them out the youth center until they come to our meeting. There we explain to them how they are hurting our image and the image of Northfield youth. We hope that they will send this message to their friends, but this is a very difficult thing to do. It ends up being peer pressure that is the problem, youth don’t want to tell their friends that they can’t do something, because then they have to look like the bad person. That’s why we need to start trying to explain to youth why this disrespectful behavior is a problem, not just keeping them from doing it for fear of getting tickets.

  19. Dan,
    Thanks for your work. May you have ongoing success in it.

    I think that David H. and Curt had excellent suggestions for more productive policies that this Community Expectations proposal when they suggested, respectively:

    I would think a more specific policy about alcohol establishment expectations or alcohol consumption expectations would have more effect by being more specific to the problem.

    Why don’t the bars hire their own off duty policemen to patrol the areas around their establishments? Why should we have to pay for the problems they create?

    If bar patrons are the problem, and public urination and public drinking are already illegal, why not target that problem at its source?

  20. Patrick, I did see what appeared to be police foot patrols walking around the river area Saturday night.

  21. Dan- Thanks for your response. It is well thought out and spot on. Peer pressure is difficult at any age, especially youth, but it can be effective. Your process

    We are cracking down on youth using
    hate speech and smoking down by the
    boardwalk, and we are starting to kick
    them out the youth center until they
    come to our meeting.

    is an application of peer pressure. Sometimes, the passive ostracization of a person because their behavior has a greater effect than 1000 words of correction. This is real wisdom. Keep up the good work. Ruth extended an invitation to me to attend one of your meetings. I would really like to learn more about what your goals are and how the rest of the community could help facilitate those efforts, aside from not bad-mouthing your efforts out of ignorance. I would feel very priveleged to come, at your convenience.

  22. Dan- One other encouragement, in response to your comment

    youth don’t want to tell their friends
    that they can’t do something, because
    then they have to look like the bad

    When you bring pressure for a positive change in a person’s life, that does not make you a “bad person.” On the contrary, it actually establishes you as the “good person” in that person’s life. I think the concept you communicate here, that someone who brings correction is the “bad person,” is interesting. Do you believe this is true, and if so, why do you believe that?

  23. One positive outcome of the proposed Community Expectations policy is that youth,particularly the members of the Union of Youth,have gotten involved in the discussion and reaffirmed their values as a youth organization.
    Another outcome–not quite so positive–is that many stories are coming out about past, recent past, and current harassment of youth downtown and around the Key by Northfield police officers. When we met a couple of days ago to talk about the Key’s response to the proposed Code of Behavior,what youth needed very much to talk about was recent incidents (two nights ago) of what I would call provocation and bullying by the police.

    This behavior by the police is unacceptable. What Key youth are starting now is a notebook in which they are documenting these incidents. It remains to be decided what they will do with this information once a substantial number of incidents–unfortunately–are recorded.

    In the 90’s, Minneapolis police were particularly brutal–taking homeless and Indians down to the river to beat the crap out of them.Or they would drive them out to the suburbs and drop them off, taunting them–get back to Minneapolis on your own.

    I am not suggesting that Northfield police are this bad. But Herb and his homeless crew started a paper called “Cop Watch”in which they collected stories. Out of this effort came the Citizen’s Review panel.

    I believe that this situation is serious in this town, and I would like to prevent it from escalating.

  24. Olivia,
    I would cautiously consider/suggest the use of telephones as recording devices. Mine can record audio quite easily. Some can record video.

    If one assumes that these young persons are accurately describing these incidents with police, I guess the open question would be (and I don’t know the answer to this): Would recording these interactions encourage better behavior from the officers, or would it potentially escalate these incidents?

    If what you describe is really going on (and I truly hope that it is not), then hard, objective evidence will likely be required to convince the community of the problem that you allege.

    In general, if it just comes down to the word of a teenager vs. the word of a Northfield Police officer, the tendency of the community, the courts, etc., will likely be to believe the Police officer’s account.

  25. Olivia, I would think reviewing which types of interactions lead to negative outcomes might also be beneficial. Kids to need to feel ‘responsible’ as well as ’empowered.’ Having three boys who hung out at the key and always skipped choir practice – I have had reason to interact with the Northfield police on occasion. I didn’t always agree with them but did find them professional. The whole organization of the criminal justice system is insane and insanely bureaucratic. But for the police, having to operate within that system and deal with difficult kids has to be very trying.

  26. The two kids Andi Sison and Joe McGowan, who spoke at the council meeting last night were great! Surely, a wonderful example of the kind of involvement you mention in #76.

    Have Key members ever invited a member of the police force for a chance to talk about the problems each group seems to have with the other and to try to find some common ground?

    Also, what was the suggestion you made during your comments – something about Angels?

  27. Olivia, I think it’s a very bad idea for you to ratchet up on the ‘bad cop’ rhetoric and planning:

    This behavior by the police is
    unacceptable. What Key youth are
    starting now is a notebook in which
    they are documenting these incidents.
    It remains to be decided what they
    will do with this information once a
    substantial number of
    incidents–unfortunately–are recorded.

    That plan of action doesn’t sound like problem-solving to me.

    And your bringing up incidents of Mpls police misbehavior makes things much worse, despite your disclaimer. That was really out of line.

    You had issues with the police while you were Director at the Village School. I hope you don’t make this into more of the same at The Key.

  28. I should calm down before I write,but that last comment, Griff, about the Village School,I take as an ad-hominem–An attack on me and my credibility by innuendo. That was really out of line. There’s much in what you said that needs to be unpacked.

    In your statement about the Village School,you imply that my “issues” with the police were because of my instigation and were probably exaggerated, and any criticism that we had of police actions was unwarranted. I don’t think you know the whole story about incidents at the school. The police targeted us then,and went out of their way to find things wrong that we did. You said, in effect,well here she goes again–thereby suggesting that anything I bring up should be discounted–without allowing a full hearing of what happened in the past.

    You have spun what I said, and said I was out of line in ratcheting up the rhetoric,that what I supposedly really meant was that Northfield police are as bad as Minneapolis. I said Northfield police are not as bad as Minneapolis police were.But you are the one who turned my words and stressed what you think I really must have meant all along–which is that they are as bad. What might your motives be, Griff, for construing what I say as something that I even said I didn’t mean?

    In any case,the situation is already serious, and I’m simply naming what I see as happening. And I see the documentation of police interactions with youth as problem solving.

    To suggest a softball game? Yes, let’s smooth everything over and pretend nothing is happening. Again,such a comment minimizes what I see as something that is not healthy and needs to be faced, not smoothed over.

    I would want real interactions, talking and listening, exchanges,not just a game–and I mean that word in more ways than one.


  29. Griff : I must admit I am astounded at your reaction to Olivia’s comment, #76. I think it’s is exactly an example of problem solving to equate the kids documenting the NFpolice behavior with the MPLS effort of documenting bad police behavior there, resulting in the Citizen Review Board.
    For several years the Key Kids have reported that although they keep inviting the police to come to their board meetings, it just doesn’t happen. I think Mark Taylor(Chief) has very good intentions, but I think it is very hard to change what may be institutionalized behavior , based on rhetoric alone.
    I know nothing of Village School/Police problems, but I don’t know what that has to do with this discussion; your remark did seem to be an ‘ad hominem’ one.

    There are entirely too many things in NF that don’t ever get fixed, because no one wants to talk about them.
    I thought you had higher aspirations for this site, as a quasi, or new-model, of community journalism.
    It is very unusual for you as the site manager to enter a conversation in this way; there have been extraordinarily aggressive sections of other threads, and you have not intervened.
    I’m puzzled by this…

    1. Kiffi- I think your comment:

      There are entirely too many things in
      NF that don’t ever get fixed, because
      no one wants to talk about them.

      could maybe be better stated this way:

      There are entirely too many things in
      NF that don’t ever get fixed, because
      no one ever does anything about

      Ruth is a great one to be a driving force in the Key. I knew her father very well. Jeff never really said much about things, but he did a lot about things. Perhaps what we need in Northfield is less “talk” and more “do.” And, I’m preaching to myself in this, also.

  30. Jane- The Key invited the police to our meetings after the whole drug fiasco. We wanted to make it a monthly thing but our invites were largely ignored. We also invited them to our open house that four city council members manged to make room for and come, but our invites to the police and the police chef were again ignored. The Key is open to meeting with the police and we want to build a REAL relationship with them, but at this point we are a bit reluctant to be the extending hand when so far all our work has come to nothing. We have also suggested a softball game before, but because the police only came to one of our meetings and never showed up again, we didn’t have much time to set it up.

  31. Ruth, thanks for updating us on your efforts. Since the police haven’t responded to your open invitation, it might be a good time now to contact Police Chief Mark Taylor to schedule a mutually agreeable time when you and your fellow Youth Board members can meet with him to discuss these issues.

  32. Olivia, I’m just going by your words expressed here. For you to now say re: your Village School experience that

    The police targeted us then, and went
    out of their way to find things wrong
    that we did

    is a further illustration of the point I’m trying to make, that the way you’re involving yourself with this current situation at the Key is likely to make things worse, not better.

  33. Griff : here’s a perfect example of the way nested comments are buried… “Jake” replied to Ross’s comment which was #1 (No last name, BTW) and he did so on 5.31.
    So it shows as the most recent comment on the sidebar, but is all the way back to the first comment made on 4.27.; additionally, on a previous block of 50 comments.

    So if people don’t understand the “reply” feature, they may think their comment lost. I guess they learn what has happened, but it must be disconcerting at first.

  34. Kiffi – I know Jake, so I gave him a last name. 🙂

    You raise a good point. However, I always view the sidebar to see the most recent comments, so I didn’t miss the one that Jake posted. If someone’s reading a thread from the top, they’d see it that way too.

    From a practical standpoint, can you identify a situation in which a nested comment is likely to be missed?

    1. Tracy,
      Why it can be easy to miss some comments:
      1) Try clicking on Jake’s comment on the right sidebar. You are not linked to Jake’s comment, or even the page on which Jake’s comment appeared. I had to hunt manually to find it.
      2) After I hit ‘send’, I expect that Jake’s comment will have disappeared from the sidebar – a mere few hours after it was posted. If I came by at 1 PM and picked up reading at the end of the comment section, I would never see Jake’s comment.

    2. …and look, Jake’s comment has disappeared from the sidebar. If anyone wants to see if there was such a post, they’d have to go through 90+ comments manually.

  35. Tracy and Griff: I don’t see this as a really big deal, and as soon as the commenter learns the process of nested comments , they can make the choice of either using the reply feature or putting their comment next in the sequential numbered line.

    I think the only time it would really be “buried” is when comments are arriving, fast and furious, and it very quickly goes off the sidebar within a couple hours; that has happened a few times on very active threads. sometimes it can be when the ‘page’ turns; nothing to be done about that.

    Regular commenters very quickly get the point of where to put their comment to get the most reading of it.

  36. Back to the issue, in the Sat. Nfld News: Union of Youth says it takes heat for bad apples in area.

    At a board meeting of the Northfield
    Union of Youth/the Key Wednesday,
    teens on couches discussed the
    relationship they have with their
    neighbors. The youth-run organization
    is working on a public letter
    protesting a proposed downtown conduct
    code, but is also enforcing a
    self-imposed no-smoking zone on the

    “We want to build a relationship with
    police and the youth and it hasn’t
    been working out. I think there’s a
    small group of kids that causes the
    most problems,” said 18-year-old Ruth
    Amerman, the board’s president

  37. I would like to state that the youth present at the Board Meeting felt that this story (the Northfield News article) did not do a very good job of presenting the issues at hand and the reporter already seemed to have the story laid out before talking to the youth. Much of the phrasing and innuendo in the story was NOT fed to the reporter by members of the Northfield Union of Youth, The Key. I’m sure a youth present at this meeting can give a better take than myself.

    Members of the Key know that youth can be on bad behavior and also know that The Key can perhaps be a difficult neighbor at times. But we also know that adults can be on bad behavior and much of that behavior is not even noticed by the adults in the community. They do not even realize they are acting in this way. Adults lose touch with how to talk to youth and often simply focus on reactive policies because it is the easiest and involves us, as adults, the least. Policy, rules, tickets. Any wonder why kids are so against these things? These things get handled so poorly in most communities and often seem to be enacted via venomous sermons of hate and negativity.

    Our hope is that as the Key acts as ambassadors in the community that this is in fact reciprocated by adults as well. That is really all we ask and all that can be done. I got word from Lynn Vincent that there will be a community meeting June 10th (I believe) at 2:00 or 2:30 and Lynn personally invited representatives of the Key. I don’t know if this is open to the public or not. The invitation is appreciated and my hope that something can about from this. At least better understanding. If anything is to be solved youth must be involved in the solution. Otherwise you will get a very justified rebellion. And adults don’t want that because rebellion is so darn fun and impossible to beat.

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